Salaamun Alaykum

I will take just a little part from the response of abulhaarith and try to see where I missed something …

 I really did want to say since this joker nadeem pinged me (although I would prefer if he stopped harassing my blog), is that he exposed his ignorance of the Arabic language in his explanation of the verse I posted on Obeying Allaah and Obeying the Messenger being two separate matters. The funny thing is how he quoted the wrong verse. I didn’t even speak about that verse he quoted. That’s really about all I have to say. I don’t want to spend much more time with this joker.

BarakAllaahu feekum for all your responses.

So now I am a joker… that is very good from you.  However I really do not care what you guys think about me… I just wanted to have a good worthy debate with you but however, you have always been evading the arguments I brought and you kept pasting new stuff without taking good consideration of my argument and clearly refuting them and telling me where I flawed…   You are running all over your blog telling that you ‘refuted’ me and your guys are well around you patting your back and each others back… However, you never took a single point seriously and you have always prefer to comment on my tactics, techniques,manhaj, methods, knowledge of arabic and so on and always trying to discredit me this way… This is the reason why I asked you to be transparent and let your readers see the response for themselves.  Anyways, it does not matter… As you always say.. Allahu Mustaan

Regarding the ‘Obey the Messenger…’ … I really do not see where I commited a mistake while quoting and ‘questioning’ you on one verse… I really do no understand how you can then come and say that I am a total ignorant of Arabic? What is the problem with you? I do not need to quote the same ayah which you gave because the ‘Obey the messenger..’ is not found in a single verse but there are multiple verses from the Quran covering this theme ‘Obey Allah and Obey the messenger”… I guess I do not need to give you references for that right…

So, why do you want me to quote the same verse?? Does a single verse give you the clear quranic context?  Does a single verse count as ‘The Quran’??  I really hope i get these answers from you and especially where I proved my total ignorance of arabic…

However, for me… It is clear that there are multiple issues which you just want to evade and move on to other stuff rather than responding to them.  Here is the verse I posted and I am posting it again with some more details… Tell me where is the problem and HOW YOU PROVE YOUR TWO DIFFERENT OBEDIENCE when the grammar clearly show it as ONE obedience.  I sense that your bubble is about to burst and you do not want that to happen… This is why you are evading such issues…  I also guess, if ever you respond… It is be again more ‘other issues’ rather than this one… Always diverting from the main issue.

 

{ يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُوۤاْ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلاَ تَوَلَّوْا عَنْهُ وَأَنْتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ }

قوله تعالى: {وَلاَ تَوَلَّوْا}: الأصل: تَتَوَلَّوا/ فحذف إحدى التاءين. وقد تقدَّم الخلاف في أيهما المحذوفة. قوله: {وَأَنْتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ} جملةٌ حالية، والضمير في “عنه” يعود على الرسول؛ لأن طاعته من طاعة الله. وقيل: يعود على الله وهذا كقوله تعالى: {وَٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَحَقُّ أَن يُرْضُوهُ} [التوبة: 62]. وقيل: يعود على الأمر بالطاعة.

Here is an additional piece for you… Hope to hear back.

{ يَحْلِفُونَ بِٱللَّهِ لَكُمْ لِيُرْضُوكُمْ وَٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَحَقُّ أَن يُرْضُوهُ إِن كَانُواْ مُؤْمِنِينَ }

قوله تعالى: {وَٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَحَقُّ أَن يُرْضُوهُ}: إنما أفرد الضمير في “يُرْضوه”، وإن كان الأصل في العطف بالواو المطابقةَ لوجوهٍ أحدُها: أنَّ رضا الله ورسولِه شيء واحد: مَنْ أطاع الرسول فقد أطاع [الله]، {إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ ٱللَّهَ} [الفتح: 10]، فلذلك جَعل الضميرين ضميراً واحداً مَنْبَهة على ذلك.

 

 

Or do you use the verse which suits your belief and you neglect all the other verses? Or maybe there is a grammatical error in this verse?  Just tell me where is the proof of TWO different obedience as you see it..

Please note that am not harassing your blog and I opened this one for this very purpose… In order not to flood your blog as I am not welcome anymore… However, the ping is done by wordpress and not by me… It is done automatically because I spread your links on my blog so that anyone who wants to investigate into the matter are free to go ‘to and fro’ without any restriction/limitation on my part… I want this to be transparent and clear…. Moubeen…

Wasalaam

http://abulhaarith.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/obey-allaah-and-obey-the-messenger/