Posted by: Dr Lightman | March 11, 2011

The Pyramid Code – Full version

The Pyramid Code is a documentary series of 5 episodes that explores the pyramid fields and ancient temples in Egypt as well as ancient megalithic sites around the world looking for clues to matriarchal consciousness, ancient knowledge and sophisticated technology in a Golden Age. The series is based on the extensive research done in 25 trips to Egypt and 51 other countries around the world by Dr. Carmen Boulter in the Graduate Division of Educational Research at the University of Calgary.

The Pyramid Code features interviews with prominent scholars and authors in multidisciplinary fields: geology, physics, astrophysics, archaeology, bilogical engineering, magnetic field theory, hieroglyphics, and Egyptology. The series explores penetrating questions:

  • Who were the ancients and what did they know?
  • Could the pyramids be much older than traditional Egyptology would have us believe?
  • Could it be that the ancients were more technologically advanced than we are today?
  • Why do we have so little understanding of the ancient Egyptians?
  • Are there still secrets hidden in plain sight?
  • Do new discoveries force the issue of establishing a new chronology?
  • Are there little known sites that provide clues to a new understanding of our distant past?
  • Are we really the most advanced civilization to ever live on Earth?

The Pyramid Code TV series is five 1-hour EPISODES:

  1. The Band of Peace
  2. High Level Technology
  3. Sacred Cosmology
  4. The Empowered Human
  5. A New Chronology

Videos are in 25 parts.  Watch them at your own convenience and hope you benefit from it.  Thanks to the original uploaders of this fascinating documentary.  May ALLAH increase us in knowledge and wisdom.

 

Posted by: Dr Lightman | February 19, 2011

Did Jesus Die?? BBC documentary

Covers a lot of topics regarding the crucifixion of Jesus as it appears in the Gospels and the flaws within it.  It also covers some stories which suggests Jesus survived the crucifixion if it ever took place and fled to Kashmir where he died years later.

Posted by: Dr Lightman | February 16, 2011

Le Coran, aux origines du Livre

SunniGuy:Jesus (peace be upon him) is returning soon: It is the Islamic belief that Jesus or Isa (a.s.) was taken up alive by Allah when the Jews had wanted to crucify him. He will come back to lead the Muslim nation and kill the Anti-Christ.

SunniGuy: Quran 3:55. And (remember) when Allâh said: “O ‘Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute.”

Notice the words, ‘then YOU WILL RETURN to me’. These words imply that Allah will send him (Isa/Jesus a.s.) back (as he is in Allah’s care in the heavens now)and he will complete his mission.

Allah knows best.
October 24 at 9:37pm · Like
Deen Uz Zaman Choudhury We must also acknowledge the fact that Rasool (SA:) said The Anti-Christ will emerge and claim to be The son of Mary when there is no more water left in the sea of Galilee. The water level of sea of Galilee has reached the point it is already been declared that it can never be restored. So how long will take it to completely dry up ? This is the amount of time left for the appearance of The Anti-Christ…
October 24 at 9:41pm · Like
S.m. Rana brother when that time is gonna come…..
October 24 at 10:13pm · Like

SunniGuy: The knowledge of the hour is only with Allah. However, Rasulullah (saws)told us about a number of signs which will appear before the Day of Judgement. If you scrool through the following webpage, there should be a book on this issue – Book of the End – Great Trials & Tribulations

http://www.kalamullah.com/books.html

Very useful website inshaAllah.
October 24 at 10:24pm · Like

WayFinder: Bro
SunniGuy

You have uttered a big LIE on GOD!! when you said

[...was taken up alive by Allah]

You have come up with a fake conclusion basing it on single verse.. you should know that the QURAN contains over 6200 verses which explain one another without contradiction… who is foolish enough to make a conclusion based on a single verse?

This methodology is similar to the methodology used by the kuffaar who use a single verse which says ‘kill them wherever you find them’ and this verse is enough for them to give big lectures that Quran is a threat to peace, promote violence and killing of disbelievers…

How are you different from them?

Let me outline 2 very important matters…

1. You have used an erroneous translation.. or you have intentionally distorted the translation of verse 55 because there is a keyword which has not been translated which is [mutawaffiika]

2. Regarding ['then YOU WILL RETURN to me].. the your is a PLURAL YOU [KUM]… and not singular YOU [KA] which was used previously when talking to Jesus[pbuh]. The YOU who is suppose to return to GOD is the AUDIENCE[plural]… and not Jesus[pbuh] as He has already returned there.

YOU LACK BASIC ARABIC UNDERSTANDING.. THIS IS THE REASON BEHIND THE INCONSISTENCY OF YOUR WRITING.
October 24 at 11:53pm · Like

SunniGuy: You have uttered a big LIE on GOD!! when you said

[...was taken up alive by Allah]

How was he taken up then? Dead!

Regarding plural – I did not imply a singular form either. The English language does not have the form. ‘You’ meaning everyone involved including Isa a.s.

October 24 at 11:58pm · Like ·  1 person

WayFinder: ?[How was he taken up then? Dead!]

Why do you question me? Question your own self.. it was you who made such a deceitful statement.. where is your proof from the quran to support what you said? Did you read the number 1??

[ 'You' meaning everyone involved including Isa a.s.]

In this case, everywhere in the quran where the pronoun KUM is used when addressing to the audience of the Quran… we should also assume that it is also addressing to Jesus[pbuh] … right?
October 25 at 12:00am · Like

SunniGuy: Apparently so.
October 25 at 12:04am · Like

WayFinder: ?[Apparently so.]

What do you want to say? Dont be shy
October 25 at 12:05am · Like

SunniGuy: A man is not shy. We take on the apparent. This is form of expression.
October 25 at 12:06am · Like

WayFinder: ?[A man is not shy. We take on the apparent. This is form of expression.]

A believer is bound to the quran… and the quran says.. ‘speak unambiguously/clearly.. ‘…

so.. voice out.. let it be on record.
October 25 at 12:07am · Like

WayFinder: ?[How was he taken up then? Dead!]

Why do you question me? Question your own self.. it was you who made such a deceitful statement.. where is your proof from the quran to support what you said? Did you read the number 1??

[ 'You' meaning everyone involved including Isa a.s.]

In this case, everywhere in the quran where the pronoun KUM is used when addressing to the audience of the Quran… we should also assume that it is also addressing to Jesus[pbuh] … right?


THIS IS A REPOST.
October 25 at 12:08am · Like

SunniGuy: I have already spoken and won’t be dictated and come up with your response.
October 25 at 12:08am · Like

WayFinder: ?[I have already spoken and won't be dictated and come up with your response.]

Is this true? or another lie? Did you read the first 5 lines? Did you answer this? Where is your proof that he was raised alive? Are you saying to me that your response was [How was he taken up then? Dead]??
October 25 at 12:10am · Like

SunniGuy: Allah said, they killed him not.
October 25 at 12:11am · Like

WayFinder: ?[Allah said, they killed him not.]

Yeah.. they kill him not.. does that mean he did not die? Do a person die just by assasination or what?
October 25 at 12:12am · Like
SunniGuy2: ?@WayFinder, you calling some one a liar is way out of context. To call someone a liar you have to have absolute conviction that this person has DELIBERATELY misled/given false info to decieve/gain. It shows how quickly you let you’re egocetric nature come before any reason or teachings. What you are doing is no different to what a ignorant would have done 1.5 millenia ago.
October 25 at 12:22am · Like

WayFinder: ?@A.Z.Choudhury

You are yourself guilty of what you have wrote above… since you do not know me and have not discussed with me before.

I know what I have said and I have said it with full conviction.. and consciousness.. Let me brief you what you do not know… I have been in discussion with Br
SunniGuy since quite some time now… my very first discussion with him weeks back was around 65 pages printed on A4 paper…

I have not made accusations on the fly like that… But what I have said is based on my personal experience with the man during our discussions… This is not the first time that I expose the lie of the man.. I have done it before.. several times…

Therefore Br A.Z, do not allow yourself to make big conclusions without knowing all the details on the story… However, I do understand you and your impression…
October 25 at 12:29am · Like
SunniGuy2: Guilty of what i wrote? What are you, judge and jury. You’re not making any sense. One of the first things i leared as a child is that you do not call people liars if you want to win their trust and wish to convey your message and hold a serious discussion. You correct them. To call someone a liar is to build a wall and environment where the discussions get highjacked by personal attacks.
October 25 at 12:35am · Like

WayFinder: As I told you.. you have not idea of the details involved between me and him… so better not judge me… If you want to know…browse the discussions on his wall… from the very first one.. read them entirely.. then you come back and talk here.
October 25 at 12:38am · Like
SunniGuy2: Thank you, but i haven’t the time besides i m rather put-off by the quality of language.
October 25 at 12:41am · Like

WayFinder: Then it would have been even better had you not express yourself regarding it as well.. It goes against your very own ‘ethics’
October 25 at 12:42am · Like
SunniGuy2: No, i just found the accusations rather out of tune in the threads. One minute it sounds like you two discussing a serious deep topic, next minute it looks like you lost the plot.
October 25 at 12:44am · Like

WayFinder: ?[@WayFinder, you calling some one a liar is way out of context. To call someone a liar you have to have absolute conviction that this person has DELIBERATELY misled/given false info to decieve/gain. I]

Read again.. my responses above.. I have not only said it.. but I have supported it and proved it as well… Moreover, read the responses of
SunniGuy.. he is silent for now.. it is because he has not contacted his mullahs yet… soon it would spark here.. keep following…

It is not as if i have said ‘you are a liar’ and i have stopped right there without supporting the accusation with tangible proofs
October 25 at 12:45am · Like

WayFinder: ?[One minute it sounds like you two discussing a serious deep topic, next minute it looks like you lost the plot.]

This is FALSE.. I have accused him in my very FIRST post on this thread! Where did it sound like serious deep discussion?
October 25 at 12:47am · Like

WayFinder: Moreover, in the very FIRST LINE i wrote itself
October 25 at 12:48am · Like
SunniGuy2: So, this is just ridiculing is it? Entertainment?
October 25 at 12:49am · Like ·  1 person

WayFinder: ?[So, this is just ridiculing is it? Entertainment?]

It might seem so to you.. remember what i told you in my very first answer to you.. you do not know the details .. and this is why you would not be able to understand my responses to him.. and IF you want to know… then I also told you what you should do…

I have only one call.. people should know their BOOK[scripture] before they make big statements on its content.
October 25 at 12:55am · Like

SunniGuy: ?(Moreover, read the responses of
SunniGuy.. he is silent for now.. it is because he has not contacted his mullahs yet… soon it would spark here.. keep following…)
Brother Abu Zahid – how does WayFinder know what I am doing in between my posts?
October 25 at 12:57am · Like
SunniGuy2: My point is that you should not call people liars if you feel they got it wrong. If you feel you are correct than say so but not slander.
October 25 at 12:57am · Like

SunniGuy: ?(people should know their BOOK[scripture] before they make big statements on its content)
Alhamdulillah, I have resorted to some explanations of Quran.
October 25 at 12:59am · Like
SunniGuy2: ?(how does WayFinder know what I am doing in between my pos…ts?) Presumptions. Presumptions are equally as bad as lying.
October 25 at 1:00am · Like ·  1 person

SunniGuy: Allah commanded us to avoid suspicion and do not look into people’s personal lives.
October 25 at 1:03am · Like
SunniGuy2: Since this is not a serious discussion on any particular topic, i will bid farewell for now. Take care.
October 25 at 1:05am · Like

SunniGuy: Now, without me going into other verses of Quran about whether Jesus as was taken up alive or not – let us look at the rationality of 3:55. Allah informed Jesus a.s. that he would take him upto Himself. Allah has not informed us this sort of blessing given to some other person (as per Quran). Hence, it is the sunni view that He was taken alive. I have the backing of centuries old scholarship.
October 25 at 1:07am · Like

SunniGuy: Now, I will quote two verses regarding Isa as:

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them. (Surat An-Nisa’, 4:159)

He [Jesus] is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path. (Surat Az-Zukhruf, 43:61)

Rest assured o Sunnis that I have checked Tafsir Ibn Kathir and Mariful Quran for the explantion of these verses.
October 25 at 1:11am · Like
Quranist: ?@ Br WayFinder

What is the actual meaning of the word MUTAWAFFIKA….And what’s wrong with the translation below ?

[MIM -WA -TA]
Muta/Mutu/Mawta =Die/Death

[WA-FA-YA]
Waffa/Waffi =Complete/Fulfilled/ Repay full

Ka =You
October 25 at 1:29am · Like

WayFinder: ?[Brother Abu Zahid - how does WayFinder know what I am doing in between my posts?]

I asked you to testify once.. do you still remember?

[ Now, without me going into other verses of Quran about whether Jesus as was taken up alive or not]

You SHOULD bring the verse which says so.. since you made a clear statement about it.. no shortcuts.. although it seems tempting.

[Allah has not informed us this sort of blessing given to some other person (as per Quran)]

Since you said [as per Quran].. therefore I am happy to tell you that you are wrong once again…

And mention in the Book, Idrees. Indeed, he was a man of truth and a prophet.
And We RAISED him to a high station.[19:56-57]

So, as per Quran.. there was another prophet who was RAISED… Same verb used.. rafa3a

Your claim about such blessing being on Jesus[pbh] alone is a dud.

[Hence, it is the sunni view that He was taken alive. I have the backing of centuries old scholarship.]

You can have backing of the whole world.. but if you do not have the backing of the Word of God.. then it is not worth a dime.

[There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies]

Here is what sunni says… “who does not believe in him before his death”. According to this verse, all believing Jews and Christians realize at the moment of their death that Jesus WAS truly a prophet of God – having been neither an impostor nor “the son of God” (Zamakhshari).

The verse is simple to understand if we do not resort to distortion or injection of christian dogmas…

The verse says that the ONE of the people of the Book MUST believe in the true personality of Jesus[he was a messenger and not son of GOD] before his [not jesus, but the one of the people of the book] death.

For example, we have john who is a christian.. For John to be considered a muslim, he has to believe in the true personality of Jesus[pbuh] before his own death[john's death]… because if he[john] dies believing Jesus was God or son of God.. then he dies as a disbeliever even if he is of the people of the Book..

Read the verses in arabic and study them.. it will be much better for you and everyone else.

[Rest assured o Sunnis that I have checked Tafsir Ibn Kathir and Mariful Quran for the explantion of these verses.]

You need to read your sunni literature again

43:61 43:61 AND, BEHOLD,It[this Quran] is indeed a means to know [that] the Last Hour [is bound to come]; hence, have no doubt whatever about it, but follow Me: this [alone] is a straight way.

Whereas most of the commentators regard the pronoun hu in innahu as relating to Jesus and, consequently, interpret the above phrase as “he is indeed a means to know [i.e., an indication of the coming of] the Last Hour”, some authorities – e.g., Qatadah, Al-Hasan al-Basri and Sa’id ibn Jubayr (all of them quoted by Tabari, Baghawi and Ibn Kathir) – relate the pronoun to the Qur’an, and understand the phrase in the sense adopted in my rendering. The specific mention of the Last Hour in the above context is meant to stress man’s ultimate responsibility before the Creator and, therefore, the fact that worship is due to Him alone: and so this parenthetic passage follows logically upon the mention of the false deification of Jesus.

Qatadah, Al-Hasan al-Basri and Sa’id ibn Jubayr were sunnis right?
October 25 at 1:35am · Like

SunniGuy: ?(I asked you to testify once.. do you still remember?)
irrelevant to what you have stated about me consulting the ‘Mullahs’.
October 25 at 1:42am · Like

SunniGuy: ?(The specific mention of the Last Hour in the above context is meant to stress man’s ultimate responsibility before the Creator)
Who says that?
October 25 at 1:43am · Like

WayFinder: ?[irrelevant to what you have stated about me consulting the 'Mullahs'.]

Then feel free to testify here and take Allah as your witness that you do not consult anyone behind the scenes to formulate some of the replies.. Testify and the matter will be sealed… There wont be any need for these needless defensive statements.
October 25 at 1:44am · Like

SunniGuy: The majority of the Sunni scholarship refers the verses to mean Isa a.s.
October 25 at 1:44am · Like

WayFinder: ?[ The majority of the Sunni scholarship refers the verses to mean Isa a.s.]

What about those who say it means the Quran? Are they astray? Cheesy

I told you many times.. there are much more disagreement in sunnism than you might think…

Moreover, why you are picking and choosing to answer me?
October 25 at 1:46am · Like

SunniGuy: ?(Then feel free to testify here and take Allah as your witness that you do not consult anyone behind the scenes to formulate some of the replies..)
This is my testification. Future lies with Allah.
October 25 at 1:46am · Like

SunniGuy: ?(I told you many times.. there are much more disagreement in sunnism than you might think)
Sunnis do not claim that they are all one on all matters. As long as there is no contradiction in the fundamentals, diferences are tolerated.
October 25 at 1:49am · Like

WayFinder: ?[This is my testification. Future lies with Allah.]

You testified about what? Did Muhammad [pbuh] taught you how to bear a testimony? It is in the quran.. testify openly and clearly…. unambiguously..

In your sentence above.. ‘THIS’ can be referring to anything in your mind.. which is different from the readers view.
October 25 at 1:49am · Like

WayFinder: ?[Sunnis do not claim that they are all one on all matters. As long as there is no contradiction in the fundamentals, diferences are tolerated.]

Then the use of orthodoxy is both relative and subjective.. depends on who the sunnist adheres to..
October 25 at 1:50am · Like

SunniGuy: You are not going to get more than what I have stated. You wrote some words and I responded.
October 25 at 1:50am · Like

WayFinder: ?[You are not going to get more than what I have stated. You wrote some words and I responded.]

Ok.. I know why you CANNOT testify.. at least.. you fear GOD… and I do encourage you to be even more God conscious.
October 25 at 1:52am · Like

SunniGuy: ?(Then the use of orthodoxy is both relative and subjective.. depends on who the sunnist adheres t…o.)
Orthodox belief is based on Quran and Sunnah and is not relative and subjective. You know very well, it refers to what the companions were upon.
October 25 at 1:52am · Like

WayFinder: ?[You know very well, it refers to what the companions were upon.]

I just showed you above how even the companions differ upon the quranic understanding.. as per what has been attributed to them

Let me remind you that you have not address the core of my reply yet.
October 25 at 1:55am · Like

WayFinder: I know you have the habit of not seeing everything which i have written.. But I would like to know whether Prophet Idrees was raised alive… and whether he is coming back to die.. before or after Jesus.. since he benefitted from the verse same [raising] by GOD.. and following your logic.. he must have been raised alive right?
October 25 at 1:59am · Like

SunniGuy: Regarding Idris a.s. – the verse refers to his high given by Allah and not raising him alive. In the case of Jesus a.s. read the following together:

And [on account of] their saying: “We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of God.” They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. (Surat An-Nisa’, 4:157)

God raised him [Jesus] up to Himself. God is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat An-Nisa’, 4:158)

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them. (Surat An-Nisa’, 4:159)

Allah states that the Jews did not kill him, following by His saying that He took him (Jesus) to Himself. Then, verse 4:159 implies that Jesus (a.s.) has not died yet. You talk about the context of ayats and here it is. This is further evident in the ayah (43:61) where Allah says Jesus(a.s.) is a sign of the hour – meaning he will come back just before the Day of Judgement.

Allah knows best.
October 25 at 12:55pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[Regarding Idris a.s. - the verse refers to his high given by Allah and not raising him alive.]

How can you say that? The RAISING of prophets/messengers is always talking about RANK/POSITION/STATUS.. Which these honored people GET near GOD.. All prophets are raised in ranks… As you have clearly said it yourself regarding Idrees.. the SAME applies to Jesus and all other prophets. Read the verses below.

Great Prophets like Muhammad(pbuh) are exalted.
43:32 …And We have raised some of them above others in rank. (…WA rafa’ na…)
94:4 And We have exalted for you your mention (…WA rafa’ NA…)

Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
6:84 ….We exalt in degrees whom We please (…narfa’u darazaa…)

Prophet Idris(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
19:57 And We raised him to an elevated state. (WA rafa’naa hu…)

Righteous servants of Allah are raised in degrees.
6:166 …and He raises some of you above the others in degrees…. (…WA rafa’ aa

ba’dakum…)
7:176 And had We wished We would invariably exalted him; …. (…rafa’naa hu….)
56:3 It will abase it will exalt (…rafi’aah…)

All good deeds are raised towards Allah.
35:10 …all pure speech and all good deed, –He exalts it…. (…yarfa’uhu. …)

House of pious Muslims are raised high by Allah.
24:36 in (certain) houses which Allah has permitted to be raised up… (…an turfa’a WA yuzkara…)

Pay attention to the wording and verb used.. exactly the same verb and NONE OF THESE has even the slight relation with a PHYSICAL raising as you are stipulating… But is is the raise in ranks/position/status in the sight of GOD.
October 25 at 6:04pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[Allah states that the Jews did not kill him]

Yeah.. Allah did indeed say that.. But did Allah say Jesus did not die? Did Allah tell you he is alive? Did he tell you Jesus is going to return?

1.They were not able to kill him
2.Jesus did not die

The Jews always claimed that they killed the Masih, the son of Maryam. Allah is telling Muhammad(pbuh) that although they claimed that they killed the Masih, in reality they could not murder him nor could they kill him by crucifixion. Then again, in the very same verse, Allah is telling that they could not kill him for certain.

Two types of death are being discussed here (a) a general murder (b) killing by crucifixion. The Jews wanted to cause either of the two types of death to Jesus(pbuh). Allah assures us that they failed to cause either type of death to him. The traditional Muslim faith is that since Jesus(pbuh) was not murdered or killed by crucifixion, only possibility is that he is alive somewhere!!! Muslims totally ignore the fact that Jesus(pbuh) could have died a natural death later on! If Jesus(pbuh) died a natural death, it is still valid that the Jews could not (a) murder him or (b) kill him by crucifixion.

Moreover.. ALLAH Himself said He is making Jesus DIES!! This is one of the conditions BEFORE raising his status/position..

3:54   Behold! Allah Said: “O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall clear you of those who reject Faith, and I am going to make those who follow you above those who reject Faith – until the day of Awakening. Then towards Me is your return, so that I shall decide among you as to in which you used to differ.

They key words here are : Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika wa rafi’uka ilaiya
Meaning: “O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me…..”

This is the exact word [mutawaffiika] which traditionalists have intentionally mistranslated because they ardently want to be more christian than christians themselves.

Apparently it is only in this verse which they seem to have a problem translating the verb correctly.. because everywhere else where the verb appears.. they have correctly translated it as DYING/TO DIE.
October 25 at 6:14pm · Like

SunniGuy: Your translation is not consistent with the rest of the ayah. Later on in the ayah your translation says,’Then towards me is your return’ How could Jesus (as) return to Allah if he had died? Allah did not say, ‘then towards me is their return’.

Also, read this ayah with 4:157 – 159 to get the understanding correct.
October 25 at 8:33pm · Like

WayFinder: First and foremore.. You have once again pretended to be blind when Allah told Jesus[innii mutawaafeeka=I will make you die], then AFTER this first action, Allah continues saying what He will be doing next which is [wa raafi3ouk ilayya= I will RAISE you UNTO ME] … Please note UNTO ME.. Allah did not say I will raise you up in HEAVEN [samaa]. You reject the word of GOD blatantly.. you turn your back and you pretend not to see what I write.. you will surely pay for your actions if they are intentional.

['Then towards me is your return' How could Jesus (as) return to Allah if he had died? Allah did not say, 'then towards me is their return'. ]

This shows how you HAVE ZERO knowledge of the language and you still pretend you understand the BOOK… The plural YOU is referring to THOSE who argue regarding Jesus.. And this DOES NOT include Jesus.. Because Jesus had no difference whatsoever with them. The verse make this very explicit in the end since it says.. Allah will JUDGE them in what they used to differ..

AND WHAT THEY [jews and christians] used to differ about regarding Jesus? Is it in the quran as well??

OF COURSE… they used to differ on the status of Jesus… Jews did not accept him as messenger of GOD.. and Jews claimed they KILLED/CRUCIFIXED Jesus while the followers of Jesus argued jews never killed Jesus… The second disagreement regarding Jesus among the people of the Book is whether Jesus was simple a messenger of GOD or Son of God…

GOD made it clear that their argument would be endless and always circular.. and at the end.. It will be GOD who will inform them of the truth on the JDay and therefore will judge them in what they used to differ.

[ 'then towards me is their return'. ]

Allah is addressing the People of the Book DIRECTLY through the mouth of Muhammad [pbuh].. Hence the usage of the second person plural form. Such example are spread all over the Quran where Allah is addressing people directly with talking to them in the second person.
October 25 at 8:51pm · Like

SunniGuy: ?(First and foremore.. You have once again pretended to be blind)
It is this sort of language that draw people’s attention. There is no need for such rhetoric. This is a characteristic of the hypocrites – very quarrelsome.
October 25 at 9:04pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[It is this sort of language that draw people's attention. There is no need for such rhetoric. This is a characteristic of the hypocrites - very quarrelsome.]

At least you cannot blame me because i have always told you to stop doing what you do.. which is pick and choose from my replies.. most of the time, picking part which have the least weight and making long comments on them.. most of them needless and circular.. I have told you on and on.. you always avoid the crux of the matter… i have written on [mutawaffiika = make you die] at least 3 times in this discussion.. WHY HAVE YOU NOT SEEN IT while you have seen the rest? And then you dare comment about my frustration as a reaction to your dishonest attitude… how come?

But you are not to blame.. since the habit of pick and choose have become somehow natural to you.. since you do it with the Book of Allah.. so what am I beside the Word of God.. nothing… If you can do it with the BOOK.. you definitely do not find it difficult to do the same with me or maybe anyone else who can prove you wrong.
October 25 at 9:08pm · Like

WayFinder: Let me ask you a question… When Jesus will come back.. and he will know what christians did to his personality/teachings after he was ‘raised’ as you implied, physically to heaven.. what will he do about them?
October 25 at 9:10pm · Like

SunniGuy: Islam or death.
October 25 at 9:21pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[Islam or death.]

What do you mean?
October 25 at 9:22pm · Like

SunniGuy: According to the Orthodoxy – when Jesus (a.s.) comes back, he will ask the non-Muslims to accept Islam. If they don’t, they get the sword.
October 25 at 9:32pm · Like

WayFinder: I am talking about his followers… what would he say to them? He will know what they did to his teachings and personality or he wont know?
October 25 at 9:33pm · Like

SunniGuy: On the issue of ‘mutawaffiika’, what is your position on the following verse:

6:60. Wahuwa allathee yatawaffakum biallayli

It is He who takes your soul by night
October 25 at 9:33pm · Like

SunniGuy: ?(I am talking about his followers… what would he say to them? He will know what they did to his teachings and personality or he wont know?)
He will do the field study when he comes back. I don’t know at this stage whether there are any narrations about the conversations he will have on that matter.
October 25 at 9:36pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[On the issue of 'mutawaffiika', what is your position on the following verse:

6:60. Wahuwa allathee yatawaffakum biallayli

It is He who takes your soul by night]

This is exactly what happened to Jesus… His soul was taken to GOD… While his body still remained in a state of sleep… THE QURAN itself explain YATAWAFAA as you have seen.. It is the absence of the soul from the body.. and the soul is in the godly realm.. disconnected in the physical world…

Moreover, if you keep reading and researching.. you should reach verse 39:42 which keeps explaining the process of yatawafaa…

Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that do not die [He takes] during their sleep. Then He keeps those for which He has decreed death and releases the others …[39:42]

When the soul goes to GOD in sleep… it is returned back to the body and the body wakes up… THOSE whose soul are not returned to the body.. the body DIES.. resulting in physical death.

No extrapolate these quranic teachings to what happened to Messenger Jesus[pbuh]… God willing.. He will show you His Light
October 25 at 9:40pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[He will do the field study when he comes back. I don't know at this stage whether there are any narrations about the conversations he will have on that matter.]

Logically, will he become aware of the mischief the christians have done to his mission or not?
October 25 at 9:42pm · Like

SunniGuy: Read Quran 5:117. He will not be aware of, whilst being absent from this world.
October 25 at 11:13pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[Read Quran 5:117. He will not be aware of, whilst being absent from this world.]

This is exactly where I am coming to.. I have already read and studied this verse long before….

Therefore how do you co-relate…

Jesus coming back… of course, he would know what happened to his Book and his followers.. it is the stupidiest thing to deny this..

Then inspite of that… he will tell GOD that he was not aware of what happened to his followers and what they did after his departure..

I said not to them except what You commanded me – to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.[5:117]

Maybe you thought i asked you that question without a proper aim.. But here it is.. clearly showing you how the Quran has clearly showed us..

1. Jews did not kill/assasinate/crucify Jesus
2. Jesus dies [natural] as per GOD command [inni mutawaffiika]
3. Jesus status raised after he dies in the divine consideration
4. Jesus relieved from the disbelievers [mutahiruka min alazeena kafaroo]
5. Since Jesus is dead, he is unaware of what happened to his legacy and followers…
6. Jesus already in paradise with his mother

All these are clear cut proof WITHOUT contradiction of anykind that Jesus passed away as all other messengers… This view is void of any conjecture but comes straightly from the quranic text.. without any external inference or distortion..

As a nail in the coffin… to fix the issue tightly.. take these 2 verses.. YES there are still more to support my view ….!

PAY ATTENTION TO THE EXACT ARABIC TEXT WHICH IS 100% SIMILAR

Ma almaseehu ibnu maryama illarasoolun qad khalat min qablihi arrusulu …
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. …[5:75]

Wama muhammadun illarasoolun qad khalat min qablihi arrusulu..
Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. [3:144]

5:75 says… ALL messengers who came before Jesus have passed away i.e Abraham, Yusuf,Noah,Lot,Hud etc etc etc

From Jesus to Muhammad… there might have been messengers sent in between these two…

3:144 says ALL messengers who came before Muhammad have passed away…

Obvious questions:

1. Was Jesus a messenger? answer=yes
2. Did he came before Muhammad? answer=yes

Therefore, Jesus is INCLUDED among the messengers who have already departed mentioned in 3:144.. and there is NO COMING back… the wording used is [qad KHALAT].. meaning passed away… this verb has also been used in the same sense in other verses denoting entire generations,nations,people who have passed away… Meaning NONE of them is returning back…

Moreover, worth noting the message of 3:144 which is saying that ALL messengers passed away/died and therefore Muhammad ALSO is going to die.. Lastly, the verse also give us a clue of the only 2 modes of death possible for the human being.. either he gets KILLED[by anything/anyone] or he DIES[naturally/in sleep]…

Praise be to Allah who have sent such a wonderful clear Book which in unambiguous and clear to those who open themselves to it…

As you have seen.. there is not one proof that Jesus have passed away.. but there are several of them.. which does not contradict with one another the least… everything is perfect.

As a sidenote.. let me tell you that the physical raising of Jesus as well as his fabricated ‘coming back’ was done by perverted christians and sectarians who had distorted the Book sent by GOD. And their deceit can even be proven by archeology since the OLDEST BIBLE ever found called the Codex Sinaiticus which was found in a very old monastery in mount Sinai.. guess what.. HAS NO RESURECTION of JESUS as WELL as HIS ALLEDGED coming back…

Obvious questions:

1. How come the oldest surviving bible is missing a basic/major christian dogma in it?

The answer is obvious.. these teachings were never been taught by the messenger of Allah Jesus pbuh but later day perverted sectarian missionaries injected such a manmade fabricated dogma within their manmade Books…

Now.. muslims seems to have become better christians.. they believe in what christians have invented even though there Book clearly teaches the opposite.

May Allah guide the souls who is seeking Him to Himself.
October 26 at 1:49am · Like

SunniGuy: Quotes:
(Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. [3:144])
(Moreover, worth noting the message of 3:144 which is saying that ALL messengers passed away/died and therefore Muhammad ALSO is going to die..)

Reply:
Messengers or other messengers or all messengers? You are confusing yourself.
October 26 at 2:05am · Like

WayFinder: ?[Messengers or other messengers or all messengers? You are confusing yourself.]

When you are unable to understand what i wrote.. you have to read it again and again till you understand it.. Do not blame me for your inability to understand.

5:75 = ALL messengers BEFORE Jesus passed away
3:144 = ALL messengers BEFORE Muhammad passed away

In Jesus time, he was the only living messenger, those who came before him, all of those who came before him.. had already PASSED AWAY [5:75]

In Muhammad’s time, he was the only living messenger, ALL the messengers who came before him, this include Jesus, had already PASSED AWAY.

I cannot put it any clearer.. If you still cannot understand it… then try drawing it on paper.. if you cannot do that… ask me.. i will design a graphic for you.

I think i do not need to outline that we are only talking about human messengers and not angelic messengers.
October 26 at 2:14am · Like

WayFinder: Not to say.. you still pick and choose.. GOD is watching.. i would never stop stressing on this fact.. I do not wish any kind of harm on you… therefore.. mend your ways.
October 26 at 2:16am · Like

SunniGuy: Quran 5:75 and 3:144 uses the conept of ‘Qad khalat’ – which you translate as ‘passed away’. The concept does not necessarily deal with death. For example:

‘…and there never were a people, without a Warner having lived (khala) among them (in the past)’ (Quran 35: 24)

Muft Taqi Usmani translates Quran 3:144 as follows:

‘And Muhammad is but a messenger, there have been messengers before him. So, if he dies or is killed, would you turn back on your heels?’

It is possible to live somewhere and to pass away without being dead as was the case with Isa a.s., who will be a sign of the Hour and we are waiting for him.

Allah knows best.
October 26 at 9:27pm · Like

WayFinder: Anyone can translate the word however he wants.. but Quran is very specific and wording phrases have been specifically coded to convey specific meaning…

Here we are specifically dealing with a particular expression which is QAD KHALAT.. and this is very different from ILLAA KHALAA[35:24]

Lets see a few instances of QAD KHALAT as it appear in other verses…

3rd person feminine singular perfect verb (Huh? Huh?)
(2:134:4) … has passed away, …
(2:141:4) … has passed away, …
(3:137:2) … passed …
(3:144:6) … passed away …
(5:75:Cool … had passed …
(7:38:6) … (who) passed away …
(13:6:6) … has occurred …
(13:30:6) … have passed away …
(15:13:5) … have passed …
(40:85:12) … preceded …
(41:25:17) … (that have) passed away …
(46:18:9) … (that) already passed away …
(48:23:5) … passed away …

Check all of the references one by one.. then come and tell me it does not mean PASSED AWAY… One expression cannot have multiple translations.. specifically, as all the context is clearly showing, it is dealing with the PAST and neither present, nor future.

[ without being dead as was the case with Isa a.s., ]

Even though GOD says [Inni mutawaffiika = I am collecting your soul/causing you to die] right?

[who will be a sign of the Hour and we are waiting for him. ]

Proof has already been clearly given.. Even sunnis from the claimed orthodoxy disagreed such as Qatada,Ibn Jubayr etc.. I have showed you not one… But several proof.. I cannot do anymore…

…if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein… [6:25]
October 26 at 9:36pm · Like

SunniGuy: ?(Even though GOD says [Inni mutawaffiika = I am collecting your soul/causing you to die] right)

Wrong interpretation. Sleeping is a form of death as scholars explain. So, Isa a.s. did not die in the sense of major death.

Sunni Orthodoxy generally agree about the descent of Isa a.s before the Hour. You do not need to go into that. It is well known.
October 26 at 9:43pm · Like

WayFinder: Let us to what extent the translation of Taqi Usmani is CONSISTENT and reliable… Let us see whether he translates according to biased ideology/view or according to the text of the Quran

Let us see how he translated QAD KHALAT consistently as ‘have passed’ and not ‘have passed away’

[2:134] Those are a people who have passed away..
[2:141] Those are a people who have passed away..
[3:137] Many patterns of behavior have passed before you.. (passed away cannot be used, since ‘behaviour does not pass away)
[3:144] MuHammad is but a messenger, there have been messengers before him.
[5:75] The MasiH, son of Maryam, is no more than a Messenger. There have been messengers before him.
[7:38] He (Allah) will say, .Enter the Fire along with the peoples who passed before you..
[13:6] They ask for evil to come sooner than good, while punishments have really come to pass (against people) EARLIER to
them.
[13:30] Thus We have sent you, amidst a community before which many communities have passed away,..
[15:13] (whereby) they do not believe in it (the Qur‘an), and this has been the way of EARLIER people…
[40:85] But, their profession of faith was not (competent) to benefit them, once they had SEEN Our punishment
[41:25] …with the communities that passed BEFORE them..
[46:18] …that have passed BEFORE them..
[48:23].. that went on since BEFORE..

As every can see, the expression, when used for a nation, people, community has been rightly translated by T.Usmani as ‘PASSED AWAY’ at least 4 times!!

But when it comes to 3:144 and 5:75… The translation changes to [passed before].. why that? Were not Muhammad and Jesus humans as well?

Moreover, even [passed before] can be used and does not change the meaning whatsoever.. since a synonym for [passed before] would be to PRECEDE..

It indicates an action from the PAST which cannot be changed..

Moreover, all those involved in the expression QAD KHALAT.. there matter is already sealed when we read the sentence.. ‘lahaa maa kasabat = it will be accountable to what it has DONE] .. all actions have already done and the container is sealed..

You accused me on inconsistent translation.. I wonder what would you accuse your mufti of…
October 26 at 9:59pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[Wrong interpretation. Sleeping is a form of death as scholars explain.. ]

Do you remember it is not SUNNIS who is supposed to explain Quran… Allah did explain greatly about the tawafaa.. It is the removing of soul from the body.. those whose soul are NOT returned.. the body dies.. When Isa soul was taken [mutawaffika], his body died.. his soul was not returned..

How do we know his soul did not return to the body? Quran teach us this.. by the second action that GOD performed which is the raising/elevation of the status of Jesus near Him[not in heaven].. The elevating is done in the hereafter as we can clearly see in the case of Prophet Idrees.

[So, Isa a.s. did not die in the sense of major death]

Prove this… Does Jews were not able to kill him.. mean ‘He did not die.. never.. ever…’??

[ It is well known.]

Of course it is.. since this dogma was invented before the coming of Muhammad[pbuh].. by christians.. invented because.. such teaching does not even appear on the OLDEST bible ever found by mankind… GOD always accused the people of the Book for falsification…

Moreover, GOD also clearly said that the people of the Book is never going to be satisfied with you unless you accept THEIR DEEN… The physical raising of Jesus and his return is THEIR DEEN which they invented… and here we are seeing the result.. people do not even care about verifying it since they say [it is well known]…
October 26 at 10:07pm · Like

WayFinder: Something worth adding.. QAD KHALAT when used for living beings in general means PASSED AWAY/DIED as driven by verse 3:144 which put the expression in the right context.. It makes the relation between QAD KHALAT and MAATA/QUTILA … The ONLY 2 forms of PASSING AWAY.

Praise be to Allah… who has sent a consistent Book explaining itself consistently…

We have enough proof showing us that Jesus passed away according to the Quran.
October 26 at 10:16pm · Like

SunniGuy: Passing away – not died.
October 26 at 10:43pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[Passing away - not died.]

‘… if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein…’[6:25]

So let me ALSO repeat again.

Read 3:144.. QAD KHALAT when used for living beings in general means PASSED AWAY/DIED as driven by verse 3:144 which put the expression in the right context.. It makes the relation between QAD KHALAT and MAATA/QUTILA … The ONLY 2 forms of PASSING AWAY.
October 26 at 10:53pm · Like

SunniGuy: I am not agreeing with you. However, bear in mind the context of 4:157-159, which indicates the sunni position.
October 27 at 3:35am · Like

WayFinder: ?[ bear in mind the context of 4:157-159]

Pick and choose from the Book.. this is what you do better… formulate a conclusion based on restricted view of the Message… and you will never reach good understanding. 4:157-158 if interpreted in your way would be contradicting other verses which shows he already died!

There is not one, but several evidence which have been given to prove that Jesus has past away.. irrefutable Quranic fact…

The only option you have withing your reach now is to keep believing in what you used to believe and turn you back on the Book of Allah

I am stressing AGAIN.. Physical raising of Jesus and his alledged return is a CHRISTIAN fabrication… Why they fabricate it? Because they ardently wanted to believe Jesus was GOD or Son of GOD!! Now if you are happy following their deen.. so be it!

I have showed you how mutawaffiika means removing of the soul and how the soul was not returned, which resulted in the death of the body, natural death [maata], no killing [qutila]

I have showed you how Qad Khalat means passed away and your guru[T.Usmani] has also use this translation 4 times!! You cannot deny that. I have showed you how qad khalat is directly related to death according to 3:144.

I have showed you how irrational it will be for Jesus saying GOD he did not know what happened to his followers as he was not present among them at the very point he died… How can Jesus not know about the status of the christians if he is coming back on this earth! Jesus would not be lying right?

Your claim has no support and have been refuted by the Quran itself.
October 27 at 8:24am · Like

SunniGuy: Just because you have showed me something or claim to have shown something – there is no reason for me to believe that you are the only one to have the correct understanding of the Arabic and Quan.

(How can Jesus not know about the status of the christians if he is coming back on this earth! Jesus would not be lying right?)

Becaue he ‘passed away’ (rather than died) from this world. When he comes back, he will know inshsaAllah.
October 27 at 12:01pm · Like

WayFinder: ?[Becaue he 'passed away' (rather than died) from this world. When he comes back, he will know inshsaAllah.]

Passing away or not.. It is Allah himself who is best suited, as the author the the Quran to explain to us what is [tawafaa] and of course.. He did is so brilliantly.

Tawaffaa is the removing of the soul from the body… When the soul is not returned back to the body, it results in death… DO YOU DENY THIS?

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF PHYSICAL RAISING OF JESUS INTO HEAVEN… [mutawafeeka/tawafaa] is for the soul ONLY… therefore, the body of Jesus remained here… Only the soul went to GOD…

What is your evidence that Jesus was physically/bodily raised to heaven? You have none.. The Quran disprove you and your mullahs.. Not with one verse.. But with many verses.. But again.. the matter need to be fulfilled because there will be some people who will be raised blind on the day of judgement.. such people must forcibly exist for this to be true.

If there was NO physical raising as per QURAN[no proof].. then the Question of his return should not even be asked!

I am stressing AGAIN.. Physical raising of Jesus and his alledged return is a CHRISTIAN fabrication… Why they fabricate it? Because they ardently wanted to believe Jesus was GOD or Son of GOD!! Now if you are happy following their deen.. so be it!

You situation is EXACTLY the same as the KUFFAAR who claim that the Quran is a book which promote violence and people of other faith are UNSAFE in the hands of muslims because there is a verse in the Quran which says ‘KILL them wherever you find them’.. They have such a shallow understanding and such a narrow perception that they allow themselves to formulate a conclusion basing of a SINGLE verse of the Quran while denying ALL the other verses which deals/explains/shed light on this SAME subject.. Such methodology is used by deceivers and unbelievers…

The Quranic style is ONE OF ITS KIND… for many many topics, you would NEVER find all the rules/information pertaining to it in a single verse/surah in a linear manner, one after the other… Topics are explained along MANY different verses SPREAD all over the Book.. Therefore, to understand a topic.. all the verses in relation with this topic should be gathered together and studied to get the best view/understanding… Coming to a conclusion by taking verses into isolation is equivalent to wishful thinking where the believer attempt to find a single verse to suit his desires.. and he stops right there.. he denies all the other verses.. He PICK and CHOOSE from the Book of GOD.

ONE THING FOR SURE… You cannot prove that am wrong… and none of you will ever be in a position to do so.. Because you follow man made ideologies rather than the Book of GOD.

GOD have clearly stated many verses of warning to those who THINK they are believers in the Quran… Will they take heed?

And of the people are some who say, “We believe in Allah and the Last Day,” but they are not believers.

‘… And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient,..’[2:26]
October 27 at 4:17pm · Like

Posted by: Dr Lightman | October 7, 2010

Decoding the PAST – Secrets of the Koran (10 Parts)

Decoding the Past – Secrets of the Koran (History Channel) (2006)

The Koran is an ancient tome that has been followed by Muslims for more than a thousand year. This History Channel presentation casts some Western eyes over the book and helps viewers to decipher some of the important passages of the text contained within. The program draws on the wise words of a number of people well versed in the ways of Islam, leading to some fascinating insights on what the Koran means and why it has proved to be so influential.

Posted by: Dr Lightman | October 7, 2010

Secrets of the Quran

Documentary on History Channel on the most influential BOOK mankind had ever had.

I hope this documentary will be of some benefit in one way or the other to you.

Posted by: Dr Lightman | October 6, 2010

Inside the Koran (10 parts)

Over the past few decades, the Middle East has been an epicenter of political and violent turmoil, often with religious conflict at its core. An understanding of the Muslim faith and its most sacred text is very important. NGC presents Inside the Koran, a journey into the heart of the Islamic world to better understand this complex and seemingly contradictory spiritual guide, including the messages that some perceive as justification for the violent conflict and suicide bombings.

Hope it would be of benefit.. thanks to the uploader of these videos.

Posted by: Dr Lightman | September 29, 2010

AUTHENTIC sayings of Muhammad, the Messenger of GOD [pbuh]

The verses in the Quran where Allah said to the Prophet [pbuh] “QUL” (Say).  These are not Prophet’s own words but the words are from Allah . However, in these verses, Allah sepcifically commanded Prophet … ‘QUL’ (SAY):

About Himself

Say: “I would, if I disobeyed my Lord, indeed have fear of the penalty of a Mighty Day. [6:15]

Say: “I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel.  I but follow what is revealed to me.” Say: “can the blind be held equal to the seeing?” Will ye then consider not? [6:50]

Say: “I am forbidden to worship those – others than Allah ? whom ye call upon.” Say: “I will not follow your vain desires: If I did, I would stray from the path, and be not of the company of those who receive guidance.” [6:56]

Say: “For me, I (work) on a clear sign from my Lord, but ye reject Him. What ye would see hastened, is not in my power. The command rests with none but Allah: He declares the truth, and He is the best of judges.”[6:57]

Say: “If what ye would see hastened were in my power, the matter would be settled at once between you and me. But Allah knoweth best those who do wrong.” [6:58]

But thy people reject this, though it is the truth. Say: “Not mine is the responsibility for arranging your affairs; [6:66]

Those were the (prophets) who received Allah’s guidance: Copy the guidance they received; Say: “No reward for this do I ask of you: This is no less than a message for the nations.” [6:90]

Say: “Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith, and he (certainly) joined not gods with Allah.” [6:161]

Say: “Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds: [6:162]

Say: “Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than Allah, when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)? Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah: He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed.” [6:164]

Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.” [7:158]

Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith.” [7:188]

If thou bring them not a revelation, they say: “Why hast thou not got it together?” Say: “I but follow what is revealed to me from my Lord: this is (nothing but) lights from your Lord, and Guidance, and mercy, for any who have faith.” [7:203]

But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: “Bring us a reading other than this, or change this,” Say: “It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day (to come).” [10:15]

Say: “If Allah had so willed, I should not have rehearsed it to you, nor would He have made it known to you. A whole life-time before this have I tarried amongst you: will ye not then understand?” [10:16]

Say: “I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except as Allah willeth. To every people is a term appointed: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation).” [10:49]

Say: “O ye men! If ye are in doubt as to my religion,(behold!)  I worship not what ye worship, other than Allah! But I worship Allah- Who will take your souls (at death): I am commanded to be (in the ranks) of the Believers, [10:104]

Say: “O ye men! Now Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs.” [10:108]

Say thou: “This is my way: I do invite unto Allah,- on evidence clear as the seeing with one’s eyes,- I and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah! and never will I join gods with Allah!” [12:108]

Those to whom We have given the Book rejoice at what hath been revealed unto thee: but there are among the clans those who reject a part thereof. Say: “I am commanded to worship Allah, and not to join partners with Him. Unto Him do I call, and unto Him is my return.” [13:36]

Say: “What thing is most weighty in evidence?” Say: “Allah is witness between me and you; This Qur’an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah?” Say: “Nay! I cannot bear witness!” Say: “But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him.” [6:19]

Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith.” [7:188]

Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith.” [7:188]

Say: “As to the knowledge of the time, it is with Allah alone: I am (sent) only to warn plainly in public.” [67:26]

Say: “Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth? And He it is that feedeth but is not fed.” Say: “Nay! but I am commanded to be the first of those who  bow to Allah (in Islam), and be not thou of the company of those who join gods with Allah.” [6:14]

Say: “O my people! Do whatever ye can: I will do (my part):soon will ye know who it is whose end will be (best) in the Hereafter: certain it is that the wrong-doers will not prosper.” [6:135]

Or do they say, “He has forged it”? Say: “If I had forged it, on me were my sin! and I am free of the sins of  which ye are guilty! [11:35]

“Or thou have a house adorned with gold, or thou mount a ladder right into the skies. No, we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read.” Say: “Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- a messenger?” [17:93]

Say: “O men! I am (sent) to you only to give a Clear Warning: [22:49]

Say: “No reward do I ask of you for it but this: that each one who will may take a (straight) Path to his Lord.” [25:57]

Ye they say: “Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “The signs are indeed with Allah: and I am indeed a clear Warner.” [29:50]

Say: “No reward do I ask of you: it is (all) in your interest: my reward is only due from Allah: And He is witness to all things.” [34:47]

Say: “If I am astray, I only stray to the loss of my own soul: but if I receive guidance, it is because of the inspiration of my Lord tome: it is He Who hears all things, and is (ever) near.” [34:50]

Say: “Truly am I a Warner: no god is there but the one Allah, Supreme and Irresistible,- [38:65]

Say: “No reward do I ask of you for this (Qur’an), nor am I a pretender. [38:86]

Say: “Verily, I am commanded to serve Allah with sincere devotion; [39:11]

Say: “I would, if I disobeyed my Lord, indeed have fear of the Penalty of a Mighty Day.” [39:13]

Say: “It is Allah I serve, with my sincere (and exclusive) devotion: [39:14]

Say: “O my People! Do whatever ye can: I will do (my part):but soon will ye know- [39:39]

Say: “I have been forbidden to invoke those whom ye invoke besides Allah,- seeing that the Clear Signs have come to me from my Lord; and I have been commanded to bow (in Islam) to the Lord of the Worlds.” [40:66]

Say: “If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to averse.” [43:81]

Or do they say, “He has forged it”? Say: “Had I forged it, then can ye obtain no single (blessing) for me from Allah. He knows best of that whereof ye talk (so glibly)! Enough is He for a witness between me and you! And he is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [46:8]

Say: “I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear.” [46:9]

Say thou: “Await ye!- I too will wait along with you!” [52:31]

Say: “I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any (false god).” [72:20]

Say: “It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to right conduct.” [72:21]

Say: “No one can deliver me from Allah (If I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him, [72:22]

Say: “I know not whether the (Punishment) which ye are promised is near, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term. [72:25]

In answer to various questions

They ask you concerning the new moon. Say: They are times appointed for (the benefit of) men, and (for) the pilgrimage; and it is not righteousness that you should enter the houses at their backs, but righteousness is this that one should guard (against evil); and go into the houses by their doors and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, that you may be successful. [2:189]

They ask you as to what they should spend. Say: Whatever wealth you spend, it is for the parents and the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, and whatever good you do, Allah surely knows it. [2:215]

They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: “Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members.” Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein. [2:217]

They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder [2:219]

They ask thee concerning orphans. Say: “The best thing to do is what is for their good; if ye mix their affairs with yours, they are your brethren; but Allah knows the man who means mischief from the man who means good. And if Allah had wished, He could have put you into difficulties: He is indeed Exalted in Power, Wise.” [2:220]

They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. [2:222]

They ask thy instruction concerning the women. Say: Allah doth instruct you about them: And (remember) what hath been rehearsed unto you in the Book, concerning the orphans of women to whom ye give not the portions prescribed, and yet whom ye desire to marry, as also concerning the children who are weak and oppressed: that ye stand firm for justice to orphans. There is not a good deed which ye do, but Allah is well-acquainted therewith. [4:127]

They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: Allah directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister but no child, she shall have half the inheritance: If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them): if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Thus doth Allah make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And Allah hath knowledge of all things. [4:176]

They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food). Say: lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah: eat what they catch for you, but pronounce the name of Allah over it: and fear Allah; for Allah is swift in taking account. [5:4]

They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war. Say:”(such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger: So fear Allah, and keep straight the relations between yourselves: Obey Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe.” [8:1]

They ask thee concerning the Rooh. Say:” The Rooh is the command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)” [17:85]

They ask thee about the (final) Hour – when will be its appointed time? Say: “The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (alone): None but He can reveal as to when it will occur. Heavy were its burden through the heavens and the earth. Only, all of a sudden will it come to you.” They ask thee as if thou Wert eager in search thereof: Say: “The knowledge thereof is with Allah (alone), but most men know not.” [7:187]

They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain. Say, “I will rehearse to you something of his story.” [18:83]

Men ask thee concerning the Hour: Say, “The knowledge there of is with Allah (alone)”:  and what will make thee understand?- perchance the Hour is nigh! [33:63]

They ask thee concerning the Mountains: say, “My Lord will uproot them and scatter them as dust; [20:125]

They ask you about the Hour, and when it will take place! It is not you (Muhammad) who is destined to announce its time. The ultimate knowledge of it rests with thy Lord. Thou art only a Warner unto him who fears it.[79:42-45]

The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: “Show us Allah in public,” but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority. [4:153]

About the Hour

They ask thee about the (final) Hour – when will be its appointed time? Say: “The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (alone): None but He can reveal as to when it will occur. Heavy were its burden through the heavens and the earth. Only, all of a sudden will it come to you.” They ask thee as if thou Wert eager in search thereof: Say: “The knowledge thereof is with Allah (alone), but most men know not.” [7:187]

Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith.” [7:188]

Say: “As to the knowledge of the time, it is with Allah alone: I am (sent) only to warn plainly in public.” [67:26]

Men ask thee concerning the Hour: Say, “The knowledge there of is with Allah (alone)”:  and what will make thee understand?- perchance the Hour is nigh! [33:63]

They ask you about the Hour, and when it will take place! It is not you (Muhammad) who is destined to announce its time. The ultimate knowledge of it rests with thy Lord. Thou art only a Warner unto him who fears it.[79:42-45]

Miscellaneous

Say: Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel– for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah’s command, verifying that which is before it and guidance and good news for the believers. [2:97]

Say: “Not equal are things that are bad and things that are good, even though the abundance of the bad may dazzle thee; so fear Allah, O ye that understand; that (so) ye may prosper.” [5:100]

Say: “Travel through the earth and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth.” [6:11]

Say: “To whom belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth?” Say: “To Allah. He hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy. That He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment, there is no doubt whatever. It is they who have lost their own souls, that will not believe. [6:12]

Say: “Think ye to yourselves, if there come upon you the wrath of Allah, or the Hour (that ye dread), would ye then call upon other than Allah?- (reply) if ye are truthful! [6:40]

Say: “Think ye, if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed up your hearts, who – a god other than Allah – could restore them to you?” See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); yet they turn aside. [6:46]

Say: “Think ye, if the punishment of Allah comes to you, whether suddenly or openly, will any be destroyed except those who do wrong? [6:47]

Say: “Who is it that delivereth you from the dark recesses of land and sea, when ye call upon Him in humility and silent terror: ‘If He only delivers us from these (dangers), (we vow) we shall truly show our gratitude’?” [6:63]

Say “It is Allah that delivereth you from these and all (other) distresses: and yet ye worship false gods!” [6:64]

Say: “He hath power to send calamities on you, from above and below, or to cover you with confusion in party strife, giving you a taste of mutual vengeance – each from the other.” See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); that they may understand. [6:65]

No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: “Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)” Say: “Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make it into (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents):therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor your fathers.” Say: “Allah (sent it down)”: Then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling. [6:91]

When they do aught that is shameful, they say: “We found our fathers doing so”; and “Allah commanded us thus”: Say: “Nay, Allah never commands what is shameful: do ye say of Allah what ye know not?” [7:28]

Say: “My Lord hath commanded justice; and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in His sight: such as He created you in the beginning, so shall ye return.” [7:29]

Say: If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight ? are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious. [9:24]

Say: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us: He is our protector”: and on Allah let the Believers put their trust. [9:51]

Say: “Can you expect for us (any fate) other than one of two glorious things- (Martyrdom or victory)? But we can expect for you either that Allah will send his punishment from Himself, or by our hands. So wait (expectant); we too will wait with you.” [9:52]

Say: “Spend (for the cause) willingly or unwillingly: not from you will it be accepted: for ye are indeed a people rebellious and wicked.” [9:53]

The Hypocrites are afraid lest a Sura should be sent down about them, showing them what is (really passing) in their hearts. Say: “Mock ye! But verily Allah will bring to light all that ye fear (should be revealed). [9:64]

If thou dost question them, they declare (with emphasis): “We were only talking idly and in play.” Say: “Was it at Allah, and His Signs, and His Messenger, that ye were mocking?” [9:65]

Those who were left behind (in the Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah: they hated to strive and fight, with their goods and their persons, in the cause of Allah: they said, “Go not forth in the heat.”  Say, “The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.” If only they could understand! [9:81]

They will present their excuses to you when ye return to them. Say thou: “Present no excuses: we shall not believe you: Allah hath already informed us of the true state of matters concerning you: It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe: in the end will ye be brought back to Him Who knoweth what is hidden and what is open: then will He show you the truth of all that ye did.” [9:94]

When We make mankind taste of some mercy after adversity hath touched them, behold! they take to plotting against Our Signs! Say: “Swifter to plan is Allah!” Verily, Our messengers record all the plots that ye make! [10:21]

Say: “Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? and who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?” They will soon say, “Allah”. Say, “will ye not then show piety (to Him)?” [10:31]

Say: “Of your ‘partners’, can any originate creation and repeat it?” Say:  ”It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?” [10:34]

Say: “Of your ‘partners’ is there any that can give any guidance towards truth?” Say: “It is Allah Who gives guidance towards truth, is then He Who gives guidance to truth more worthy to be followed, or he who finds not guidance (himself) unless he is guided? what then is the matter with you? How judge ye?” [10:35]

Or do they say, “He forged it”? say: “Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!” [10:38]

Say: “Do ye see,- if His punishment should come to you by night or by day,- what portion of it would the sinners wish to hasten? [10:50]

They seek to be informed by thee: “Is that true?” Say: “Aye! by my Lord!  it is the very truth! and ye cannot frustrate it!” [10:53]

Say: “In the bounty of Allah. And in His Mercy,- in that let them rejoice”: that is better than the (wealth) they hoard. [10:58]

Say: “Those who invent a lie against Allah will never prosper.” [10:69]

Say: “Behold all that is in the heavens and on earth”; but neither Signs nor Warners profit those who believe not. [10:101]

Do they then expect (any thing) but (what happened in) the days of the men who passed away before them? Say: “Wait ye then: for I, too, will wait with you.” [10:102]

Or they may say, “He forged it,” Say, “Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth! [11:13]

Say: “Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth?” Say: “(It is) Allah.” Say: “Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?” Say: “Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with light?” Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created (anything) as He has created, so that the creation seemed to them similar? Say: “Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible.” [13:16]

Thus have we sent thee amongst a People before whom (long since) have (other) Peoples (gone and) passed away; in order that thou mightest rehearse unto them what We send down unto thee by inspiration; yet do they reject (Him), the Most Gracious! Say: “He is my Lord! There is no god but He! On Him is my trust, and to Him do I turn!” [13:30]

Is then He who standeth over every soul (and knoweth) all that it doth, (like any others)? And yet they ascribe partners to Allah. Say: “But name them! is it that ye will inform Him of something he knoweth not on earth, or is it (just) a show of words?” Nay! to those who believe not, their pretence seems pleasing, but they are kept back (thereby) from the path. And those whom Allah leaves to stray, no one can guide. [13:33]

And they set up (idols) as equal to Allah, to mislead (men) from the Path! Say: “Enjoy (your brief power)! But verily ye are making straightway for Hell!” [14:30]

Speak to my servants who have believed, that they may establish regular prayers, and spend (in charity) out of the sustenance we have given them, secretly and openly, before the coming of a Day in which there will be neither mutual bargaining nor befriending. [14:31]

Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims. [16:102]

Say: If there had been (other) gods with Him, as they say,-behold, they would certainly have sought out a way to the Lord of the Throne! [17:42]

Say: “(Nay!) be ye stones or iron, [17:50]

“Or created matter which, in your minds, is hardest (to be raised up),- (Yet shall ye be raised up)!” then will they say: “Who will cause us to return?” Say: “He who created you first!” Then will they wag their heads towards thee, and say, “When will that be?” Say, “May be it will be quite soon! [17:51]

Say: “Call on those – besides Him – whom ye fancy: they have neither the power to remove your troubles from you nor to change them.” [17:56]

Say: “Everyone acts according to his own disposition: But your Lord knows best who it is that is best guided on the Way.”[17:84]

Say: “If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. [17:88]

Say, “If there were settled, on earth, angels walking about in peace and quiet, We should certainly have sent them down from the heavens an angel for a messenger.” [17:95]

Say: “Enough is Allah for a witness between me and you: for He is well acquainted with His servants, and He sees (all things). [17:96]

Say: “If ye had control of the Treasures of the Mercy of my Lord, behold, ye would keep them back, for fear of spending them: for man is (every) niggardly!” [17:100]

Say: “Whether ye believe in it or not, it is true that those who were given knowledge beforehand, when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration, [17:107]

Say: “Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between.” [17:110]

(Some) say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth,- doubtfully guessing at the unknown; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say thou: “My Lord knoweth best their number; It is but few that know their (real case).” Enter not, therefore, into controversies concerning them, except on a matter that is clear, nor consult any of them about (the affair of) the Sleepers.[18:22]

Say: “Allah knows best how long they stayed: with Him is (the knowledge of) the secrets of the heavens and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely He hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him; nor does He share His Command with any person whatsoever. [18:26]

Say: “Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?- [18:103]

Say: “If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid.” [18:109]

Say: “I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner. [18:110]

Say: “If any men go astray, (Allah) Most Gracious extends (the rope) to them, until, when they see the warning of Allah (being fulfilled) -either in punishment or in (the approach of) the Hour,- they will at length realise who is worst in position, and (who) weakest in forces! [19:75]

Say: “Each one (of us) is waiting: wait ye, therefore, and soon shall ye know who it is that is on the straight and even way, and who it is that has received Guidance.” [20:135]

Or have they taken for worship (other) gods besides him? Say, “Bring your convincing proof: this is the Message of those with me and the Message of those before me.” But most of them know not the Truth, and so turn away. [21:24]

Say: “Who can keep you safe by night and by day from (the Wrath of) (Allah) Most Gracious?” Yet they turn away from the mention of their Lord. [21:42]

Say, “I do but warn you according to revelation”: But the deaf will not hear the call, (even) when they are warned! [21:45]

Say: “What has come to me by inspiration is that your Allah is One Allah: will ye therefore bow to His Will (in Islam)?” [21:108]

When Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, thou wilt notice a denial on the faces of the Unbelievers! they nearly attack with violence those who rehearse Our Signs to them. Say, “Shall I tell you of something(far) worse than these Signs? It is the Fire (of Hell)! Allah has promised it to the Unbelievers! and evil is that destination!” [22:72]

Say: “To whom belong the earth and all beings therein? (say)if ye know!” [23:84]

They will say, “To Allah!” say: “Yet will ye not receive admonition?” [23:85]

Say: “Who is the Lord of the seven heavens, and the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme?” [23:86]

They will say, “(They belong) to Allah.” Say: “Will ye not then be filled with awe?” [23:87]

Say: “Who is it in whose hands is the governance of all things,- who protects (all), but is not protected (of any)? (say) if ye know.” [23:88]

They will say, “(It belongs) to Allah.” Say: “Then how are ye deluded?” [23:89]

Say: “O my Lord! if Thou wilt show me (in my lifetime) that which they are warned against,- [23:93]

Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.[24:30]

They swear their strongest oaths by Allah that, if only thou wouldst command them, they would leave (their homes). Say: “Swear ye not; Obedience is (more) reasonable;  verily, Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do.” [24:53]

Say: “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message). [24:54]

Say: “The (Qur’an) was sent down by Him who knows the mystery (that is) in the heavens and the earth: verily He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [25:6]

Say: “Is that best, or the eternal garden, promised to the righteous? for them, that is a reward as well as a goal (of attainment). [25:15]

Say (to the Rejecters): “My Lord is not uneasy because of you if ye call not on Him: But ye have indeed rejected (Him), and soon will come the inevitable (punishment)!” [25:77]

Say: Praise be to Allah, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen (for his Message). (Who) is better?- Allah or the false gods they associate (with Him)? [27:59]

Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah? Say, “Bring forth your argument, if ye are telling the truth!” [27:64]

Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). [27:65]

Say: “Go ye through the earth and see what has been the end of those guilty (of sin).” [27:69]

Say: “It may be that some of the events which ye wish to hasten on may be (close) in your pursuit!” [27:72]

Say: “Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (do), if ye are truthful!” [28:49]

Say: See ye? If Allah were to make the night perpetual over you to the Day of Judgment, what god is there other than Allah, who can give you enlightenment? Will ye not then hearken? [28:71]

Say: See ye? If Allah were to make the day perpetual over you to the Day of Judgment, what god is there other than Allah, who can give you a night in which ye can rest? Will ye not then see? [28:72]

Verily He Who ordained the Qur’an for thee, will bring thee back to the Place of Return. Say: “My Lord knows best who it is that brings true guidance, and who is in manifest error.” [28:85]

Say: “Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things. [29:20]

Say: “Enough is Allah for a witness between me and you: He knows what is in the heavens and on earth. And it is those who believe in vanities and reject Allah, that will perish (in the end). [29:52]

And if indeed thou ask them who it is that sends down rain from the sky, and gives life therewith to the earth after its death, they will certainly reply, “Allah!” Say, “Praise be to Allah!” But most of them understand not. [29:63]

Say: “Travel through the earth and see what was the end of those before (you): Most of them worshipped others besides Allah.” [30:42]

If thou ask them, who it is that created the heavens and the earth. They will certainly say, “Allah”. Say: “Praise be to Allah!” But most of them understand not. [31:25]

Say: “The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: then shall ye be brought back to your Lord.” [32:11]

Say: “On the Day of Decision, no profit will it be to Unbelievers if they (then) believe! nor will they be granted a respite.” [32:29]

Say: “Running away will not profit you if ye are running away from death or slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief(respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy!” [33:16]

Say: “Who is it that can screen you from Allah if it be His wish to give you punishment or to give you Mercy?” Nor will they find for themselves, besides Allah, any protector or helper. [33:17]

O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts: “If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a  handsome manner. [33:28]

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known  (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [33:59]

Men ask thee concerning the Hour: Say, “The knowledge thereof is with Allah (alone)”:  and what will make thee understand?- perchance the Hour is nigh! [33:63]

The Unbelievers say, “Never to us will come the Hour”: Say, “Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous: [34:3]

Say: “Call upon other (gods) whom ye fancy, besides Allah: They have no power,- not the weight of an atom,- in the heavens or on earth: No(sort of) share have they therein, nor is any of them a helper to Allah. [34:22]

Say: “Who gives you sustenance, from the heavens and the earth?” Say: “It is Allah; and certain it is that either we or ye are on right guidance or in manifest error!” [34:24]

Say: “Ye shall not be questioned as to our sins, nor shall we be questioned as to what ye do.” [34:25]

Say: “Our Lord will gather us together and will in the end decide the matter between us (and you) in truth and justice: and He is the one to decide, the One Who knows all.” [34:26]

Say: “Show me those whom ye have joined with Him as partners: by no means (can ye). Nay, He is Allah, the Exalted in Power, the Wise.” [34:27]

Say: “The appointment to you is for a Day, which ye cannot put back for an hour nor put forward.” [34:30]

Say: “Verily my Lord enlarges and restricts the Provision to whom He pleases, but most men understand not.” [34:36]

Say: “Verily my Lord enlarges and restricts the Sustenance tosuch of his servants as He pleases: and nothing do ye spend in the least (in His cause) but He replaces it: for He is the Best of those who grant Sustenance. [34:39]

Say: “I do admonish you on one point: that ye do stand up before Allah,- (It may be) in pairs, or (it may be) singly,- and reflect(within yourselves): your Companion is not possessed: he is no less than a warner to you, in face of a terrible Penalty.” [34:46]

Say: “Verily my Lord doth cast the (mantle of) Truth (over His servants),- He that has full knowledge of (all) that is hidden.” [34:48]

Say: “The Truth has arrived, and Falsehood neither creates anything new, nor restores anything.” [34:49]

Say: “Have ye seen (these) ‘Partners’ of yours whom ye call upon besides Allah? Show Me what it is they have created in the (wide) earth. Or have they a share in the heavens? Or have We given them a Book from which they (can derive) clear (evidence)?- Nay, the wrong-doers promise each other nothing but delusions. [35:40]

Say, “He will give them life Who created them for the first time!  for He is Well-versed in every kind of creation!- [36:79]

Say thou: “Yea, and ye shall then be humiliated (on account of your evil).” [37:18]

Say: “That is a Message Supreme (above all),- [38:67]

When some trouble toucheth man, he crieth unto his Lord, turning to Him in repentance: but when He bestoweth a favour upon him as from Himself, (man) doth forget what he cried and prayed for before, and he doth set up rivals unto Allah, thus misleading others from Allah’s Path. Say, “Enjoy thy blasphemy for a little while: verily thou art (one) of the Companions of the Fire!” [39:8]

Is one who worships devoutly during the hour of the night prostrating himself or standing (in adoration), who takes heed of the Hereafter, and who places his hope in the Mercy of his Lord – (like one who does not)? Say: “Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that receive admonition. [39:9]

Say: “O ye my servants who believe! Fear your Lord, good is(the reward) for those who do good in this world. Spacious is Allah’s earth! those who patiently persevere will truly receive a reward without measure!” [39:10]

“Serve ye what ye will besides him.” Say: “Truly, those in loss are those who lose their own souls and their People on the Day of Judgment: Ah! that is indeed the (real and) evident Loss! [39:15]

If indeed thou ask them who it is that created the heavens and the earth, they would be sure to say, “Allah”. Say: “See ye then? the things that ye invoke besides Allah,- can they, if Allah wills some Penalty for me, remove His Penalty?- Or if He wills some Grace for me, can they keep back his Grace?” Say: “Sufficient is Allah for me! In Him trust those who put their trust.” [39:38]

What! Do they take for intercessors others besides Allah? Say: “Even if they have no power whatever and no intelligence?” [39:43]

Say: “To Allah belongs exclusively (the right to grant) intercession: to Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: In the End, it is to Him that ye shall be brought back.” [39:44]

Say: “O Allah! Creator of the heavens and the earth! Knower of all that is hidden and open! it is Thou that wilt judge between Thy Servants in those matters about which they have differed.” [39:46]

Say: “O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [39:53]

Say: “Is it some one other than Allah that ye order me to worship, O ye ignorant ones?” [39:64]

Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill)each People according to what they have earned. [45:14

Say: "It is Allah Who gives you life, then gives you death; then He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment about which there is no doubt": But most men do not understand. [45:26]

Say: “Do ye see what it is ye invoke besides Allah? Show me what it is they have created on earth, or have they a share in the heavens bring me a book (revealed) before this, or any remnant of knowledge (ye may have), if ye are telling the truth! [46:4]

Say: “See ye? If (this teaching) be from Allah, and ye reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity (with earlier scripture), and has believed while ye are arrogant, (how unjust ye are!) truly, Allah guides not a people unjust.” [46:10]

The desert Arabs who lagged behind will say to thee: “We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and herds, and our families: do thou then ask forgiveness for us.” They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say: “Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your behalf with Allah, if His Will is to give you some loss or to give you some profit?  But Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do. [48:11]

Those who lagged behind (will say), when ye (are free to)march and take booty (in war): “Permit us to follow you.” They wish to change Allah’s decree: Say: “Not thus will ye follow us: Allah has already declared (this) beforehand”: then they will say, “But ye are jealous of us.” Nay, but little do they understand (such things). [48:15]

Say to the desert Arabs who lagged behind: “Ye shall be summoned (to fight) against a people given to vehement war: then shall ye fight, or they shall submit. Then if ye show obedience, Allah will grant you a goodly reward, but if ye turn back as ye did before, He will punish you with a grievous Penalty.” [48:16]

The desert Arabs say, “We believe.” Say, “Ye have no faith; but ye (only)say, ‘We have submitted our wills to Allah,’ For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [49:14]

Say: “What! Will ye instruct Allah about your religion? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on earth: He has full knowledge of all things. [49:16]

They impress on thee as a favour that they have embraced Islam. Say, “Count not your Islam as a favour upon me: Nay, Allah has conferred a favour upon you that He has guided you to the faith, if ye be true and sincere. [49:17]

Say: “Yea, those of old and those of later times, [56:49]

Say: “O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!” [62:6]

Say: “The Death from which ye flee will truly overtake you: then will ye be sent back to the Knower of things secret and open: and He will tell you (the truth of) the things that ye did!” [62:8]

But when they see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee standing. Say: “The (blessing) from the Presence of Allah is better than any amusement or bargain! and Allah is the Best to provide (for all needs).” [62:11]

The Unbelievers think that they will not be raised up (for Judgment). Say: “Yea, By my Lord, Ye shall surely be raised up: then shall ye be told (the truth) of all that ye did. And that is easy for Allah.” [64:7]

Say: “It is He Who has created you (and made you grow), and made for you the faculties of hearing, seeing, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give. [67:23]

Say: “It is He Who has multiplied you through the earth, and to Him shall ye be gathered together.” [67:24]

Say: “See ye?- If Allah were to destroy me, and those with me, or if He bestows His Mercy on us,- yet who can deliver the Unbelievers from a grievous Penalty?” [67:28]

Say: “He is (Allah) Most Gracious: We have believed in Him, and on Him have we put our trust: So, soon will ye know which (of us) it is that is in manifest error.” [67:29]

Say: “See ye?- If your stream be some morning lost (in the underground earth),  who then can supply you with clear-flowing water?” [67:30]

Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn [113:1]

And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful. [2:111]

Say: If the future abode with Allah is especially for you to the exclusion of the people, then invoke death if you are truthful. [2:94]

And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah’s guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper. [2:120]

And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists. [2:135]

Say: Do you dispute with us about Allah, and He is our Lord and your Lord, and we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds, and we are sincere to Him. [2:139]

Nay! Do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.[2:140]

Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will). [3:64]

Say: “O People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, when Allah is Himself witness to all ye do?” [3:98]

Say: “O ye People of the Book! Why obstruct ye those who believe, from the path of Allah, Seeking to make it crooked, while ye were yourselves witnesses (to Allah’s Covenant)? but Allah is not unmindful of all that ye do.” [3:99]

They (also) said: “Allah took our promise not to believe in a messenger unless He showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (From heaven).”Say: “There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?” [3:183]

In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ theson of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every ? one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens andthe earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.” [5:17]

(Both) the Jews and the Christians say: “We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth,  and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)” [5:18]

Say: “O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?” [5:59]

Say: “Shall I point out to you something much worse than this,(as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!” [5:60]

Say: “O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.” It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith. [5:68]

Say: “O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way. [5:77]

The fools among the people will say: What has turned them from their qiblah which they had? Say: The East and the West belong only to Allah; He guides whom He likes to the right path. [2:142]

Say to those who reject Faith: “Soon will ye be vanquished andgathered together to Hell,-an evil bed indeed (to lie on)! [3:12]

Say: Shall I give you glad tidings of things Far better thanthose? For the righteous are Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with riversflowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure (andholy); and the good pleasure of Allah. For in Allah’s sight are (all) Hisservants,- [3:15]

Say: “O Allah! Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.[3:26]

Say: Whether you hide what is in your hearts or manifest it, Allah knows it, and He knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, and Allah has power over all things. 3:29]

Say: “Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least! [4:77]

Say: “If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [3:31]

Say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger”: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. [3:32]

Say: “Allah speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans.” [3:95]

Say: “Will ye serve, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things.” [5:76]

“And believe no one unless he follows your religion.” Say: “True guidance is the Guidance of Allah: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those(Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?” Say: “All bounties are in the hand of Allah: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things.” [3:73]

And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah’s guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper. [2:120]

Say: “Shall we indeed call on others besides Allah,- things that can do us neither good nor harm,- and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from Allah? – like one whom the evil ones have made into a fool, wandering bewildered through the earth, his friends calling, come to us’,(vainly) guiding him to the path.” Say: “Allah’s guidance is the (only) guidance, and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds;- [6:71]

Say: “We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).” [3:84]

All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel Made unlawful for itself, before the Law (of Moses) was revealed. Say: “Bring ye the Law and study it, if ye be men of truth.” [3:93]

They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food). Say: lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner  directed to you by Allah: eat what they catch for you, but pronounce the name of Allah over it: and fear Allah; for Allah is swift in taking account. [5:4]

Say: “I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination – or, what is impious, (meat) on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah’s”. But (even so), if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- thy Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.[6:145]

Say: “Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from”: Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.[6:151]

Say: Who hath forbidden the beautiful (gifts) of Allah, which He hath produced for His servants, and the things, clean and pure, (which He hath provided) for sustenance? Say: They are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) purely for them on the Day of Judgment. Thus do We explain the signs in detail for those who understand.[7:32]

Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge. [7:33]

Say: “See ye what things Allah hath sent down to you for sustenance? Yet ye hold forbidden some things thereof and (some things)l awful.” Say: “Hath Allah indeed permitted you, or do ye invent (things) to attribute to Allah?” [10:59]

Those who give partners (to Allah) will say: “If Allah had wished, we should not have given partners to Him nor would our fathers; nor should we have had any taboos.” So did their ancestors argue falsely, until they tasted of Our wrath. Say: “Have ye any (certain) knowledge? If so, produce it before us. Ye follow nothing but conjecture: ye do nothing but lie.”[6:148]

Say: “With Allah is the argument that reaches home: if it had been His will, He could indeed have guided you all.” [6:149]

Say: “Bring forward your witnesses to prove that Allah did forbid so and so.” If they bring such witnesses, be not thou amongst them: Nor follow thou the vain desires of such as treat our signs as falsehoods, and such as believe not in the Hereafter: for they hold others as equal with their Guardian-Lord. [6:150]

Say: “Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from”: Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.[6:151]

Have they feet to walk with? Or hands to lay hold with? Or eyes to see with? Or ears to hear with? Say: “Call your ‘god-partners’, scheme (your worst) against me, and give me no respite! [7:195]

They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not nor profit them, and they say: “These are our intercessors with Allah.” Say: “Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not, in the heavens or on earth?-Glory to Him! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!” [10:18]

Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). [8:38]

The Unbelievers say: “No messenger art thou.” Say: “Enough for a witness between me and you is Allah, and such as have knowledge of the Book.” [13:43]

O Prophet! say to those who are captives in your hands: “If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” [8:70]

Say: “What thing is most weighty in evidence?” Say: “Allah is witness between me and you; This Qur’an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah?” Say: “Nay! I cannot bear witness!” Say: “But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him.” [6:19]

They say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “Allah hath certainly power to send down a sign: but most of them understand not. [6:37]

They swear their strongest oaths by Allah, that if a (special) sign came to them, by it they would believe. Say: “Certainly (all) signs are in the power of Allah: but what will make you (Muslims) realise that (even) if (special) signs came, they will not believe.”? [6:109]

Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! the day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say: “Wait ye: we too are waiting.” [6:158]

The Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “Truly Allah leaveth, to stray, whom He will; But He guideth to Himself those who turn to Him in penitence,- [13:27]

THIS DISCUSSION OCCURED ON FACEBOOK.  SUNNI GUY TRIED TO SAY THAT QURAN IS NOT THE ONLY GUIDE TO THE STRAIGHT PATH.  BUT AS YOU WILL SEE, THIS CLAIM IS TOTALLY DEMOLISHED BY THE QURAN AND SUNNI GUY HAS NO OTHER AVENUE EXCEPT TO BEAT AROUND THE BUSH… THIS IS WHY HIS DISCUSSION STARTED ON THE ‘STRAIGHT PATH’ AND ENDED ON ‘HAJJ’

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{SunniGuy}  Quran 12:108. Say : “This is my way; I invite unto Allâh with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me with sure knowledge. And Glorified and Exalted be Allâh. And I am not of the Mushrikûn (who sets partners with Allah).”
September 20 at 9:03pm · Comment · Like

{SunniGuy}  Some of the important things to bear in mind for the callers to Islam:
1) The knowledge must be certain based on the authentic texts, first and foremost is Al-Quran.
2) Following the way of Rasulullah (Muhammad, peace be upon him)
3) Following those who followed Rasulullah (saws) in his lifetime.
4) Denouncing all forms of polytheism.

Allah knows best.
September 20 at 9:07pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Point 1) The knowledge must be certain based on the authentic texts, first and foremost is Al-Quran.

What I have noticed from some of the so-called callers is that one will find little or no reference to the textual evidence when speaking. Some even resort to the sayings of the philosophers as if though we are in need of their speculative garbage. All these are done to appease the so-called western intellectual circles and the minds affected by them. Such attitude does not serve the purpose of calling sincerely to the way of Allah. Doing so may lead to misguidance, the opposite of the stated intention.
September 20 at 9:24pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  I agree to all the four points mentioned in your first post… in the sense that, point 1 to 3 relates to Quran as the object being followed. Point 4 is the primal stance of the monotheist.. the same stance of all prophets/messengers and logical people. No ones can surrender to God(muslim) and not denounce polytheism.. both state are not mutually inclusive.. none can be both at the same time… either monotheist, or polytheist..
September 20 at 11:02pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Denouncing polytheism has be done in real sense, not just keeping to oneself. The verse starts with ‘say’. We are required to announce ‘la ilaha illalllah’ (none worthy of worship except Allah).
September 20 at 11:53pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  of course… i did not imply the opposite
September 20 at 11:58pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Point 2:
Following the way of Rasulullah (Muhammad, peace be upon him)

What is the way of Rasulullah saws? This is Sirat Al-Mustaqim or straight path. The shortest path to jannah. When one follows the path of Messenger of Allah (saws), one obeys Allah. The Quran states, ‘obey Allah and obey His Messenger’, ‘if you love Allah, follow me (Muhammad saws)’ and so on. A path is not just an abstract ideology, it is a practical guide – an way. In order to follow the prophet saws, one needs to know his ways. He explained the Quran to us, purified those Muslims around him and judged by what Allah revealed to him. This is a lot more than just delivering the message.
September 21 at 12:10am · Like

{Wayfinder}  The way he followed is the same way being prescribed for each and everyone who wants to live as a muslim… it is prescribed and clearly detailed in the quran… The Quran does not define the PATH as an abstract ideology, but rather, as a concrete one… on and on.. with minute details… regarding all aspects of this path… and the opposing path as well… it is just absurd to label this Straight path as abstract when all the details has been given. Let me just quote a few verses in this regard

And have shown him the two ways?
But he has made no effort to pass on the path that is steep.
And what will make you know the path that is steep?
It is the freeing of a slave
Or feeding on a day of severe hunger
An orphan of near relationship
Or a needy person in misery
And then being among those who believed and advised one another to patience and advised one another to compassion.
Those are the companions of the right.

Just some aspects of the details of the Straight/Right path… other verses add to the details… the path is a steep/difficult path… where deeds are prescribed… personally, i see zero abstract thought in the verses above, but only concrete thought which invokes a vivid sense of imagery, hence, better understanding… In these same verse, there is also explanation and tafseel(details) regarding a precise topic… When the messenger, delivered these details, it is said that he is [explaining] the Book… but the explanation is infact, given by God Himself… and the explanation is recorded.. this is how the only Book in the world which can explain itself have come to existence… no other Book can compete with it… There is not a single mufassireen who would tell you that the best way to understand the quran is by the quran (tafseer al quran bil quran)… Ibn Kathir write this in his preface… as well as others.
September 21 at 12:30am · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(There is not a single mufassireen who would tell you that the best way to understand the quran is by the quran (tafseer al quran bil quran)… Ibn Kathir write this in his preface… as well as others.)
You take them as scholars of Islam?
September 21 at 12:55am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[You take them as scholars of Islam?]

I used to be like you… always remember that… I referred to him and others because i know you has high regards of them… As for me, I read everyone and everything… I just ask God to allow me to identify the truth in all the things i read… I trust God.. and personally, truth jumps on my face,most of the time… Alhamdoulillah… Bear in mind that i also told you that truth is something which is subjective… not everyone will interpret it the same way…
September 21 at 1:01am · Like

{SunniGuy}  Something which is from ‘sure knowledge’ cannot be subjective Wayfinder.
September 21 at 2:00am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Something which is from 'sure knowledge' cannot be subjective Wayfinder.]

Of course… this is why it is the Quran.
September 21 at 7:12am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?’Sure Knowledge’ is not mentioned in the verse. Knowledge from verb ayn-lam-miim. To get the right meaning, we have to understand the arbic expression ‘alaa basiirah’ as intended by the author. However, let me know what do you deem fit as ‘sure knowledge’? Quran or some other stuff?
September 21 at 7:29am · Like

{Wayfinder}  The Sabeel (way/path) in question is not a path chosen by Muhammad[pbuh] or specific to him when he is saying [my path]… But this path is the SAME path mentioned in other verses such as 16:125 where the path is termed as ‘sabeel rabbika/your Lord’s path’…

1. Should we assume that the path in 16:105 is something different from the path mentioned in 12:108? Just because one is ascribed to the messenger, and the other is ascribed to the Lord.

2. 16:125 is also giving same clear details on how to ‘preach’ the Message of God and invite to the Straight Path… it is in strong relation with the message of 12:108.

16:125 Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
September 21 at 8:15am · Like

{SunniGuy}  The path leading to Allah’s pleasure is the same path followed by Rasulullah saws and his noble companions. There is no separation from the notion of one God, one path, one nation and one destination.
September 21 at 3:12pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Glad you are acknowledging both to be the very same path… There is no path OWNED by Muhammad(pbuh)… the straight path is the path of God… the very same path each and every prophets/messengers/pious people took… the path is not an abstract idea at all… as you said.. But rather a concrete one.. with clear details regarding several aspects of this path … through the Word of God… recorded in the the trustworthy, unambiguous, un-conjectured Quran.

NONE can describe the path better except the owner of this path…. the path which is straight is the path of God… leading to God… showed to us by God.. through revelations sent to us through his messengers…

The straight clear path of the Quran is not Muhammad [pbuh], but the path of your Lord… which Muhammad[pbuh] himself followed as messenger and transmitted very same orders to his audience.
September 21 at 4:27pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  But, does the Quran say that the path is exclusively found in the Quran only?
September 21 at 6:44pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[But, does the Quran say that the path is exclusively found in the Quran only?]

For me there is not ‘Buts..’ … maybe you can show me instead…

From my part, I believe in the verses which describes the Quran as a complete, detailed Book… where nothing regarding our salvation has been omitted. This includes description of the straight path… which has to be described in order for the messenger himself to be able to follow it.
September 21 at 7:21pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Here are the clear verses which establish the direct relation bond between the Book to guidance and straight path. Only the BOOK is approved to lead to the WAYS(with S) of Peace.

O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and A CLEAR BOOK from ALLAH;

With IT Allah guides him who will follow His pleasure into the WAYS of SAFETY and brings them out of utter darkness into light by His will and guides them to the right path(siraat al mustaqeem).
September 21 at 7:35pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(I believe in the verses which describes the Quran as a complete, detailed Book… where nothing regarding our salvation has been omitted.)
According to your Quranic understanding – should we find the detailed way of performing hajj which people were lacking the knowledge of, or performing wrongly due to ignorance?
September 21 at 7:37pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Do you think that trying to tackle ‘hajj’ would be different from last time when you tried to use ‘salaah’ to prove the incompleteness/lack of details or Quran? What makes you think that hadiths explains’describes hajj? What makes you think that Quran lack the details on it? Is it because the details from the Quran could be to some extent different from what has become known as common practice? If that is the case, then even if the details are present, your heart would not be content with it… as you would prefer to stick to the mainstream thought and instituted rituals rather than the Quran version.
September 21 at 7:44pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Let me post my answer to this [But, does the Quran say that the path is exclusively found in the Quran only?] again … I would not like it to get un-noticed.

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Here are the clear verses which establish the direct relation bond between the Book to guidance and straight path. Only the BOOK is approved to lead to the WAYS(with S) of Peace.

O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and A CLEAR BOOK from ALLAH;

With IT Allah guides him who will follow His pleasure into the WAYS of SAFETY and brings them out of utter darkness into light by His will and guides them to the right path(siraat al mustaqeem).
September 21 at 7:49pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  I will tackle your points. In the meantime, will you care to put references next to the translations please?
September 21 at 9:46pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?5:15-16
September 21 at 9:47pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(What makes you think that hadiths explains’describes hajj?)
The discussion is about Quran being complete for salvation without the guidance of Rasulullah saws.
September 21 at 9:48pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Will be with you later on tonight inshaAllah.
September 21 at 9:49pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[The discussion is about Quran being complete for salvation without the guidance of Rasulullah saws.]

I do not agree with this.. the guidance/path/way/teachings/laws/commands etc etc of Rasulullah is not separate/different from the one in the Quran… Ther are all in the form of revelation/aayaat/verses… hence, is very present in the Quran…. There is no issue of [without guidance]… Moreover, it is not Muhammad[pbuh] who guides, but it is God…
September 21 at 10:00pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(What makes you think that hadiths explains’describes hajj? What makes you think that Quran lack the details on it?)

The Quran does not say as to how many times we need to perform hajj and exactly how to perform this ritual.
Wednesday at 11:39am · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder wrote:

Here are the clear verses which establish the direct relation bond between the Book to guidance and straight path. Only the BOOK is approved to lead to the WAYS(with S) of Peace.
Quran 5:15 – 16
O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and A CLEAR BOOK from ALLAH;

With IT Allah guides him who will follow His pleasure into the WAYS of SAFETY and brings them out of utter darkness into light by His will and guides them to the right path(siraat al mustaqeem). Unquote.

Reply:

Quran 5:15 mentions ‘a light’ or ‘beacon’. It is understood as Rasulullah saws. You may disagree with that. However, what does the book say about those who are the guided? You say, ‘Only the BOOK is approved to lead to the WAYS(with S) of Peace.’ But, what about the following verse:

2:13. And when it is said to them (hypocrites): “Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansâr and Al-Muhajirûn) have believed,” they say: “Shall we believe as the fools have believed?” Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.

Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the ‘people’ believed?

2:137. So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allâh will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

Allah knows best.
Wednesday at 3:21pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Where in your methodology have you got any record as to how the noble companions of Rasulullah saws believed? This is what form part of my point no3:

Following those who followed Rasulullah (saws) in his lifetime.
Wednesday at 3:29pm · Like
Miah Ali ?>>The Quran does not say as to how many times we need to perform hajj and exactly how to perform this ritual<<

Are you sure ?

Is it no verse which say when and how many time ?
Wednesday at 3:40pm · Like
Miah Ali You follow the hadith/sinnah, that’s no problem with me, since it is your life /belief, but Please don’t deny/twist the clear verses of Allah, for the sake of so-called Hadith…
Wednesday at 3:47pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Brother SunniGuy

Firstly, I have answered your question regarding the straight link between Quran and Sirat Al Mustaqeem… You are free to use any other external sources which you think might lead you to siraat al mustaqeem… But as for me, it is very clear, from the quran verses as my support and proof, that only the Kitaab is the guide to the Straight Path…

Please bear in mind that Muhammad [pbuh] has ZERO idea what was siraat al mustaqeem, what was imaan and what was Kitaab UNTIL the Spirit was sent to him with revelation[Quran/Wahy] at which point he[Muhammad] became rightly guided and was lead to walk on the straight path as described/showed to him in what was being revealed to him from his Lord.

So now, it is for you to prove to me that siraat al mustaqeem is not confined to the Quran alone… but can be found elsewhere.

[Quran 5:15 mentions 'a light' or 'beacon'. It is understood as Rasulullah saws. You may disagree with that.]

I SURELY disagree with this because we have the very same problem as with hikmah here as well… Both Nur and Kitaab, which you are assuming are 2 different things… hence, Nur=Muhammad[pbuh] and Kitaab=Quran… according to you.. This interpretation is totally wrong according to the arabic composition and grammar in the very next verse where both are considered as ONE, and the pronoun [hu/it], which is singular, is used to replace Nur/Kitaab.. Why a singular pronoun to replace supposedly two different things, therefore should logically be plural… The obvious and grammatically friendly, linguistically sound understanding is that Nur/kitaab is one single thing and it is only Quran/Revelations… The [wa] is not being used as conjunction, but as an outline/emphasis medium.. emphasizing on the ‘light’, therefore guidance part of the Book/Kitaab.

If I disagree as above, it is not based on my wills/desires, but on rigid/solid proof from quran verses and composition. If you can prove your claims supporting with clear proof as above… why on earth would I not accept it?
Wednesday at 4:34pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[However, what does the book say about those who are the guided? You say, 'Only the BOOK is approved to lead to the WAYS(with S) of Peace.' But, what about the following verse: 2:13]

Those who have believed, logically, can they believe in other except what have been revealed to them in the Book? Did the hypocrites wanted to follow the whole of the Book? Of course not.. Those who have believed, as described above, cannot believe in anything other than what has been revealed in the book… there is no hidden mystery in this case to assume otherwise.

[Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the 'people' believed?]

Yes, we know that the majority has not believed… This is the exact reason why the Messenger will complain against his own people on the day of judgement. The most of those surrounding the messenger were hypocrites… There are clear verses on it… Even Muhammad[pbuh] did not know them… ONLY God knew who they were..

Moreover, why should we know the number of people who have believed… If we want to believe, we have the Book with clear instructions for that.. anyone can become a believer by surrendering to God and applying the Book in his life.

[2:137. So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allâh will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

Allah knows best.]

I have already said above, none can believe anything other that what has been prescribed in the Book… Believing as believers have believes only means believing in the Messenger to be genuine and the Book to be divine.. entrusting one’s life and salvation 100% to the cause… because this is the truth.

It is not about believe how to cut one’s nail or to clean one’s teeth… this has nothing to do with salvation… but culture and tradition.
Wednesday at 4:42pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder wrote:

[Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the 'people' believed?]

Yes, we know that the majority has not believed

Reply:

How do you know please? Remember, Allah is asking as to believe as the ‘people’ believed. So, according to your logic we are to take the majority – we will be disbelivers. What a trap, your way is leading onto Wayfinder! This is not the straight path.
Wednesday at 8:22pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[How do you know please?]

I already told you briefly above… It is according to the own words of the Messenger.

And the Messenger has said, “O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur’an as [a thing] abandoned.” [25:30]

There are many other verses that can support this few… for example, if you look for verses with the working ‘Aktharuhum/the most of them’… you will surely find a lot of such verses pertaining to the audience of Muhammad such as ‘most of them will no believe’, ‘most of them do not think’, ‘most of them follow doubts’ etc etc etc … the word MOST is associated with DISbelievers… Moreover, in the reports/history of ealier prophets/messengers, the same cycle has been repeated… You will see that the believers along the prophets were always minority and the majority were disbelievers.. Like the case of Ibraheem/Lut as example.

However, as I wrote earlier.. The number does not change anything because the guidance is preserved in the Divine Writ for anyone who wish to be guided to the right path.

[ So, according to your logic we are to take the majority - we will be disbelivers. What a trap, your way is leading onto Wayfinder! ]

This is not according to logic.. but clear quranic facts detailed above… If you were to always follow the majority, you will be mislead… Following the majority is same as the CATTLE mindset… GOD warns us not to behave like CATTLES… The majority will lead people astray… It is a fact, not fiction

6:116 And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah’s Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie

The majority is wrong most of the time… Those who follow the majority has sold their God given gift of intellect.

[This is not the straight path.]

The Quran leads to the straight path (5:15-16)
Wednesday at 9:20pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Now, explain why Allah commanded us to believe as ‘the people’ believed?
Wednesday at 9:24pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Now, explain why Allah commanded us to believe as 'the people' believed?]

I already said… the people did not believe whatever they wished to believe.. but they believed in what was given to them as revelations, delivered to them by the messenger.. They changed their focus from polytheism to monotheism… this is the paramount change in their belief… and if you continue reading the verses, it is even evident that those whop persists to disbelieve do so with the pretext of following their forefathers.

The belief of the ‘people’ you are referring to has zero secret.. it is the very same belief of all believers..

The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], “We make no distinction between any of His messengers.” And they say, “We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination.”[2:285]

O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.[4:136]

Here is the belief of the people[believers] as mentioned in Quran… to which all believers has to unite upon…
Wednesday at 9:30pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  You did not get the point – Allah is commanding us to believe as the ‘people believed’. So, who are those being referred to? Reconcile with your comment about the ‘people’(we know that the majority has not believed).
Wednesday at 10:18pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  To clarify above, we have to believe like those ‘people’ who ‘believed’. It is in past tense. Who is Allah referring to?
Wednesday at 10:20pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  The [people] being referred to are those who have believed as they were ordered to believe… the same belief as that of the messenger.. Read the verses.. There is nothing more to add… It is not about any WHO in particular.. it is just talking about believers in general..
Wednesday at 10:20pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(… It is not about any WHO in particular.. it is just talking about believers in general..)

So, when the hypocrites at the time of Muhammad saws said, ‘shall we believe as the fools believe’ – who are these hypocrites referring to?
Wednesday at 10:22pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[To clarify above, we have to believe like those 'people' who 'believed'. It is in past tense. Who is Allah referring to?]

You want to assume that their belief in not in the Quran? Like they believed in something other than the Quran?

For example, I have to have the same belief as the Messenger Muhammad [pbuh]… Does that mean Muhammad[pbuh] has other belief except what has been revealed to him in Quran?
Wednesday at 10:22pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[So, when the hypocrites at the time of Muhammad saws said, 'shall we believe as the fools believe' - who are these hypocrites referring to?]

They still call followers of Quran fools.. still today.
Wednesday at 10:22pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  I am not talking about how they believed in the question – I am talking about who were these people the hypocrites were calling ‘fools’?
Wednesday at 10:24pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Quote:
[So, when the hypocrites at the time of Muhammad saws said, 'shall we believe as the fools believe' - who are these hypocrites referring to?]

They still call followers of Quran fools.. still today.

Reply:

That does not answer my question. Who were the ‘fools’ according to the hypocrites?
Wednesday at 10:26pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  The ‘fools’ were those who have chosen/accepted a belief other than that which they used to be on previously…. Their beliefs is clearly in the verses quoted above. They were called fools because they have turned their back on their previous beliefs… specially, following the so called ‘pious predecessors/ancestors/ancient learnt men’ of theirs… They have reverted back to the original system established by God which is monotheism.
Wednesday at 10:26pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Ok! Let me spoon-feed you – were they not the companions of Rasulullah saws?
Wednesday at 10:28pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Ok! Let me spoon-feed you - were they not the companions of Rasulullah saws?]

Yes they were the companions of the Messenger[pbuh].. no doubt
Wednesday at 10:29pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Will you then ‘belive as they (the ‘people) believed?
Wednesday at 10:30pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Yes… they believed as they were ordered to believe through Quran… their belief were exactly as stated in the verses above… it had nothing more or less…
Wednesday at 10:31pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  I mean… I already believe as they did.
Wednesday at 10:32pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  They were the followers of Rasulullah saws. Correct? So, you want to to be the follower of the companions of Rasulullah saws.
Wednesday at 10:34pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Let me put it this way

1. Muhammad followed nothing but Quran
2. Those who followed him in turned followed nothing but Quran
3. Those who will follow them should follow nothing else except Quran

Hence, obeying Muhammad[pbuh]=obeying God(quran/word of God)
Wednesday at 10:35pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  If I want to follow the companions, I follow them in their belief as it has been described in quran
Wednesday at 10:36pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  SunniGuy wrote:[Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the 'people' believed?]

Wayfinder wrote:Yes, we know that the majority has not believed
Wayfinder wrote: I mean… I already believe as they did.
Wednesday at 10:38pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Are you falsifying what I said?
Wednesday at 10:39pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder: If I want to follow the companions, I follow them in their belief as it has been described in quran

and

we know that the majority has not believed

and
I mean… I already believe as they did.
Wednesday at 10:40pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  So, explain what do you belive because the majority has not believed

Wednesday at 10:41pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Ah.. as if you do not see this…

Those who have believed, logically, can they believe in other except what have been revealed to them in the Book? Did the hypocrites wanted to follow the whole of the Book? Of course not.. Those who have believed, as described above, cannot believe in anything other than what has been revealed in the book… there is no hidden mystery in this case to assume otherwise.
Wednesday at 10:41pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder wrote: Those who have bel…ieved, as described above, cannot believe in anything other than what has been revealed in the book…

and

we know that the majority has not believed
Wednesday at 10:43pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[So, explain what do you belive because the majority has not believed]

I believe the same way as the messenger… I believe in quran.. those who believed in him believe in quran as well… it goes on like this…
Wednesday at 10:43pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[we know that the majority has not believed]

And I told you we are advised not to cling with majority as they will lead you astray… i posted the verses.
Wednesday at 10:43pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(those who believed in him believe in quran as well)

But you say:

(we know that the majority has not believed)
Wednesday at 10:44pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  So, according to you the majority of the companions of Rasulullah did not believe. Is that right?
Wednesday at 10:45pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[ (those who believed in him believe in quran as well)

But you say:

(we know that the majority has not believed) ]

Did i say we have to follow the majority and behave like mad cows?
Wednesday at 10:46pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(Did i say we have to follow the majority and behave like mad cows?)

But, the people being referred to were the companions of Rasulullah saws. Allah commands us to believe as they belived. Do you think Allah commands us to believe ‘like mad cows’?
Wednesday at 10:48pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[So, according to you the majority of the companions of Rasulullah did not believe. Is that right?]

I hope you are not intentionally playing on my words… God is definitely watching…

Inspite of that, let me clarify in case you might mix up everything.

*The majority mentioned in Quran are disbelievers/hypocrites
*Those worthy to be called the companions of the messenger[pbuh] are not among the majority.
Wednesday at 10:48pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[But, the people being referred to were the companions of Rasulullah saws. Allah commands us to believe as they belived. Do you think Allah commands us to believe 'like mad cows'?]

I did not intend to label the ‘people’ mentioned as ‘fools’ as disbelievers, they were the true believers.
Wednesday at 10:49pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(Those worthy to be called the companions of the messenger[pbuh] are not among the majority.)

This is what happened earlier between us:

SunniGuy wrote:[Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the 'people' believed?]

Wayfinder wrote:Yes, we know that the majority has not believed
Wednesday at 10:50pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  So, you were referring to the companions and suggested without any proof that majority of them (the ‘people’)did not believe.
Wednesday at 10:51pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  I realised i misread/misinterpreted your question up high above in the very first instance where you asked

[[Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the 'people' believed?]]

And I understood it as

[Do we know how the people have believed from quran alone]

I understood the people in general, that is the audience of Muhammad[pbuh]… the whole arab community… whereas you meant the ‘people’ mentioned in the verse.. However, I had already given my view on the believers belief in the paragraph above my mistaken reply where I said:

[Those who have believed, logically, can they believe in other except what have been revealed to them in the Book? Did the hypocrites wanted to follow the whole of the Book? Of course not.. Those who have believed, as described above, cannot believe in anything other than what has been revealed in the book... there is no hidden mystery in this case to assume otherwise.
]
Wednesday at 10:52pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[So, you were referring to the companions and suggested without any proof that majority of them (the 'people')did not believe.]

The majority links to the general audience of Muhammad [pbuh]… the whole of the arab community he was sent to.
Wednesday at 10:54pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  This is also happened earlier between us:

SunniGuy wrote:Ok! Let me spoon-feed you – were they not the companions of Rasulullah saws?

Wayfinder wrote: Yes they were the companions of the Messenger[pbuh].. no doubt

and

Yes, we know that the majority has not believed
Wednesday at 10:55pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Did you read my most recent reply before you wrote this?
Wednesday at 10:57pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Here is how it was:

[Ok! Let me spoon-feed you - were they not the companions of Rasulullah saws?]

Yes they were the companions of the Messenger[pbuh].. no doubt
27 minutes ago · Like

{SunniGuy}  Will you then ‘belive as they (the ‘people) believed?
26 minutes ago · Like

{Wayfinder}  Yes… they believed as they were ordered to believe through Quran… their belief were exactly as stated in the verses above… it had nothing more or less…
Wednesday at 10:58pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  SunniGuy wrote:[Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the 'people' believed?]

Wayfinder wrote:Yes, we know that the majority has not believed
Wayfinder wrote: I mean… I already believe as they did.
Wednesday at 11:00pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Let me repost this…

I realised i misread/misinterpreted your question up high above in the very first instance where you asked

[[Do we know from the Quran alone as to how the 'people' believed?]]

And I understood it as

[Do we know how the people have believed from quran alone]

I understood the people in general, that is the audience of Muhammad[pbuh]… the whole arab community… that is the response received by the people/audience of Muhammad[pbuh] in general whereas you meant the ‘people’ mentioned in the verse.. However, I had already given my view on the believers belief in the paragraph above my mistaken reply where I said:

[Those who have believed, logically, can they believe in other except what have been revealed to them in the Book? Did the hypocrites wanted to follow the whole of the Book? Of course not.. Those who have believed, as described above, cannot believe in anything other than what has been revealed in the book... there is no hidden mystery in this case to assume otherwise.]

And I clearly explained later on regarding the ‘belief’ of the ‘people’ labelled as ‘fools’ by hypocrites in the verse… I clear told you that they were rightly guided believers.. Those who fulfilled the the requirement of beliefs as revealed/transmitted to them by the Messenger[pbuh]
Wednesday at 11:04pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  I have also clearly demonstrated to you… that the believers in quran, this include the supporters/companions of Muhammad the messenger[pbuh] all followed the Quran, therefore, they OBEYED GOD.

1. Muhammad[pbuh] followed nothing but Quran
2. Those who followed him in turned followed nothing but Quran
3. Those who will follow them should follow nothing else except Quran

Hence, obeying Muhammad[pbuh]=obeying God(quran/word of God)

Therefore ANYONE who wish to follow Muhammad[pbuh] or the way of the believers[this includes the companions] should follow the QURAN.. they will be walking on the very same path upon which these believers once walked.
Wednesday at 11:10pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(Those who followed him in turned followed nothing but Quran
3. Those who will follow them should follow nothing else except Quran)

24:51. The saying of (all true) believers when they appeal unto Allah and His messenger to judge between them is only that they say: We hear and we obey. And such are the successful.

These ‘people’ believed that obedience of Rasulullah saws was same as obeying Allah (Whoever obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah). Likewise, we have to make Rasulullah’s judgements as binding upon us in order to meet the conditions of belief. For example: his rulings on how to perform Islamic rituals like Salah, sawm, Zakah and hajj.
Thursday at 12:39am · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?4:59. O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.

4:60. Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who declare that they believe in the revelations that have come to thee and to those before thee? Their (real) wish is to resort together for judgment (in their disputes) to the Evil One, though they were ordered to reject him. But Satan’s wish is to lead them astray far away (from the right).
4:61. When it is said to them: “Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger”: Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.

4:62. How then, when they are seized by misfortune, because of the deeds which they hands have sent forth? Then their come to thee, swearing by Allah: “We meant no more than good-will and conciliation!”

4:63. Those men,-Allah knows what is in their hearts; so keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very souls.

4:64. We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah’s forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
4:65. But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

4:66. If We had ordered them to sacrifice their lives or to leave their homes, very few of them would have done it: But if they had done what they were (actually) told, it would have been best for them, and would have gone farthest to strengthen their (faith);
Thursday at 12:53am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[These 'people' believed that obedience of Rasulullah saws was same as obeying Allah (Whoever obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah).]

Rasullullah conveys only what was revealed to him through wahy… and the only thing he testified as wahy is Quran… Obedience to Rasul{messenger} means obedience to the message {risaalah}… nothing more or less.. Without the message, there is NO rasul and Muhammad [pbuh] would be just another useless arab…. It is only the message he [pbuh] was made to bore that made him important… Obeying Messenger is Obeying the message which comes from God… hence, means obeying God… This is why there is ZERO verse which ORDER us to follow the NABI(prophet) but all verses order us to follow the RASUL…

You have already played this card…
Thursday at 1:16am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?4:61. When it is said to them: “Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger”: Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust

They are disgusted in following the Quran… they persists in following their manmade concepts/ideas… they cannot leave their desires behind… true hypocrites… they would do everything to distort the Word of God in order to inject their filthy and corrupted ideologies… anc after that, claim it to be divinely compatible… they have always done it and are still doing it… but each and everytime, the flaws in their manmade system explode on their face… even though they would not want to admit it.
Thursday at 1:23am · Like

{SunniGuy}  Quran 4:61

When it is said to them: “Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger”: Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.

You cannot claim to obey Allah without coming to the obedience of Rasul as this verse and others command. So, it is obvious to the Muslims as to who the real believers are.
Thursday at 1:28am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?4:65. But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

DONE BY THE BOOK… THROUGH THE LAWS IN THE BOOK. NO JUDGEMENT THROUGH SUBJECTIVITY.

5:48 We have sent down to you the book with truth, authenticating what is present of the book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, a structure. Had God willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you, so advance the good deeds. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.
Thursday at 1:29am · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(So judge between them by what God has sent down)
Allah sent down Book and Hikmah. Don’t miss the ‘Hikmah’.
Thursday at 1:32am · Like

{SunniGuy}  Tell my how are you going to perform your salah, sawm, zakah and hajj without the hikmah?
Thursday at 1:33am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[You cannot claim to obey Allah without coming to the obedience of Rasul as this verse and others command. So, it is obvious to the Muslims as to who the real believers are.]

Very well said… How could the Arabs Obey Allah without Obeying the messenger.. It was the messenger who was acting as the voice of God… transmitting the Word of God to them… The spirit of revelation did not come to each and every arabs… This is the relation… No one can claim to Obey Allah and at the same time denying obedience to the messenger.. Likewise, the messenger is no more now… and only the message remains as sole authority… the message delivered by messenger.. the Word of God…

However, you cannot claim to obey the messenger when you are infact following folktales and man made concepts written centuries after the demise of the Messenger as well as those who actively supported him through his mission. This is worst…
Thursday at 1:33am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Tell my how are you going to perform your salah, sawm, zakah and hajj without the hikmah?]

This is the reason why Allah sent you the Book.. believe in it.. trust it.. become a mumin[someone who trusts]… then would see what has to be seen. No detail has been ommitted from the Book.
Thursday at 1:36am · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(only the message remains as sole authority… the message delivered by messenger)

Allah protected Az-zikr. Quran and the authentic Sunnah and we are proud of the guidance from Allah. Why Should we abandon what is trustworthy in favour of something contradictory and incomprehensible?
Thursday at 1:36am · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(No detail has been ommitted from the Book.)
Tell me how may times I must perform the hajj please?
Thursday at 1:37am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Why Should we abandon what is trustworthy in favour of something contradictory and incomprehensible?]

The Quran is [contradictory and incomprehensible] for you… wow

I do not tell you what you should do… stick to your ancestors and pious predecessors… this is your choice… we all have a choice to make.. just bear in mind that no one will be answering for anyone pertaining to how he lead his life… those whom you follow will leave you behind… Quranic fact!
Thursday at 1:38am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Tell me how may times I must perform the hajj please?]

You claim to follow Quran.. you should already know this if you truly knew your Quran.
Thursday at 1:39am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Allah protected Az-zikr. Quran and the authentic Sunnah]

Look how you twist and corrupt the word of God… The word in the verse is only Az-Zikr(The Reminder)… and we do not need anyone to tell us what is The Reminder because Allah Himself made it clear that is is the Kitaab/Book.

[This is] a Book revealed to you, [O Muhammad] – so let there not be in your breast distress therefrom – that you may warn thereby and as a REMINDER[Zikraa]to the believers.[7:2]

Therefore, when God says He protects The Reminder, it means the Book..God says Zikra is the Book… But man is not satisfied… His desires/ego get hurt…he badly wants to distort the Word of God… So he says Zikra is Quran + Authentic Sunnah… and I do not know what else… will they add to it.

Ironically, these Protected Authentic Sunnah are found in collections filled with fabrications/lies/forgery.. Even the staunchest hadith upholder would admit that.

They planned and Allah plans.. and the plan of Allah always prevails… They expose themselves through their own corruptions…
Thursday at 1:53am · Like

{Wayfinder}  Praise be to ALLAH… Indeed… Your way of doing is not alien to the Book of Allah…

And is it not sufficient for them that We revealed to you the BOOK which is recited to them? Indeed in that is a mercy and REMINDER for a people who believe.[29:51]

Pay special attention to the definition of Zikraa{the reminder} by ALLAH ALMIGHTY himself…

My God is perfect and not deficient…. So is his Word…

Oh Allah… Keep me on your guidance and show me your light always.
Thursday at 1:58am · Like

{SunniGuy}  I wrote:[Tell me how may times I must perform the hajj please?]

You replied: You claim to follow Quran.. you should already know this if you truly knew your Quran.

Reply:

This is a trait of deception. Answer the question or say the answer is not found in the Quran.
Thursday at 2:05am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[This is a trait of deception. Answer the question or say the answer is not found in the Quran.]

I answered each and every question being asked here…. I am not discussing any rituals with you because no matter what, you have not accepted Quran as your sole guide.. What if the hajj mentioned in Quran is totally different from what has been accepted as institutionalized established practice… would you accept it? From the moment you accept the Word of God as the true legacy of Muhammad[pbuh], only then you would be able to follow the guidance of quran… and this you will need to find by yourself. I believe Quran to be detailed and nothing being ommitted from the Book… i am not here to study the Quran for you… I gave you clear proof regarding authority of Quran.. Now it is up for you to make up your mind…

For instance, so far I have given you so many rebuttals with quranic facts… the most recent is Zikraa… Did you accept it as such?I clear showed you that only the Book leads/guide to straight path, did you accept? I clearly showed you how Nur and Kitaab is same thing, did you accept? I clearly showed you the true basic tenets of belief of beleivers, did you accept? Of course not, you will just move on with something else.. it is the same old behavior started to repeat itself… And I was confident I would be seeing some change… but it was absurd for me to assume this I think. For you, even if I answer 1000s of your questions… it would never be enough.

You accused me of deception.. while you have written clear forgery/corruption/lies above when you distorted the true Quranic meaning of Zikraa as defined by the AUTHOR just to fit your BOX… you vehemently want to see your concept in the quran even though it gets demolished at every corner…

May God guide US>
Thursday at 2:16am · Like

{SunniGuy}  Rasulullah (saws)was the deliverer, explainer and judge for us. We need all these to understand the Quran. If Quran is to be preserved, the understanding has be preserved too (which is an extention of Az-zikr). There is the rational answer to the protection of Az-zikr.
Thursday at 10:18am · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(No detail has been ommitted from the Book.)
Tell me how may times I must perform the hajj please?
Thursday at 10:21am · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder wrote:

Praise be to ALLAH… Indeed… Your way of doing is not alien to the Book of Allah…

And is it not sufficient for them that We revealed to you the BOOK which is recited to them? Indeed in that is a mercy and REMINDER for a people who bel…ieve.[29:51]

Reply:

You quote the verse to prove that Quran only is sufficient. But, read the verse before to undestand it properly. The disbelievers wanted a sign (or miracle) from Allah (so that they would be confident of the authenticity of the message). Then, Allah is saying ‘is Quran not enough (as a miracle)’?
Thursday at 10:37am · Like
Miah Ali ?>>Tell me how may times I must perform the hajj please?<<
As I said earlier, did you not find the verse where Allah mention how many time we need to perform hajj ?

Check the Quran carefully, the verse is very clear unless someone twist it translation to give superiority to their manmade hadith, just prove that, its provide more detail then Al-Quran.
Thursday at 1:24pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Miah Ali:
As I said earlier, did you not find the verse where Allah mention how many time we need to perform hajj ?

Reply:
Forgive my ignorace. I did not find the verse you might have referred to. Which one is it please?
Thursday at 2:09pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Rasulullah (saws)was the deliverer, explainer and judge for us. We need all these to understand the Quran. If Quran is to be preserved, the understanding has be preserved too (which is an extention of Az-zikr). There is the rational answer to the protection of Az-zikr.]

This is your own fabrication… even though Quran is VERY EXPLICIT regarding Az-Zikr… Understanding comes from God… It is God who teaches Quran, it is God who explains… it is God who guides… Full stop. Do whatever you want… you stand on nothing…. all the verses has screwed you… no matter what.. you are not accepting anything from Quran… you follow pious predecessors/forefathers/ancestors…
Thursday at 5:20pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[You quote the verse to prove that Quran only is sufficient. But, read the verse before to undestand it properly. The disbelievers wanted a sign (or miracle) from Allah (so that they would be confident of the authenticity of the message). Then, Allah is saying 'is Quran not enough (as a miracle)'?]

DO NOT PLAY DUMB… I quoted the verse to prove to you that the Reminder(Az-Zikr) is clear identified as the Book… This is the main reason for me to quote the verse… to expose your lies and distortion of Az-Zikr from clear Quran established meaning by God Almighty Himself.

Verse 29:51 clearly tell the disbelievers that the Book is enough… if you want to restrict it as ‘enough as a miracle’ … but NOT ENOUGH for the rest… this is your own assumption.. because there are also other verses which clear tell us that the Book is enough for everything else… But hypocrites would not like to heard about it.. their face changes color when they are called to the Quran, the legacy of the messenger[pbuh]… they have no limit in their foolishness to cling to their whims and desires… the following of their forefathers and ancestors… their foolishness lead them to intentionally distort the Word of God… and to a worst extent.. Tag the word of God as [contradictory and incomprehensible] in order that they might uphold what their heart is pleased with.
Thursday at 5:27pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Tell me how may times I must perform the hajj please?]

What is the use of having a Quran in your home… throw it to trash if the Quran cannot teach you how to pray or how to perform hajj… If Quran lack these details… then God is a liar… because He made us understood that the Quran is COMPLETE and DETAILED… If you cannot find the details.. then either you are wrong, or GOD is wrong.. can’t be both.

Moreover, it is for you to prove me why you stone concrete pillars when God does not order us to do so… Why do you kiss a black stone when God did not even mention about the stone… It is you to compare whether the hajj you are doing is bound to God and done under the instruction of God or under the supervision of man made collection filled with fabrications/lies/falsehood/blasphemy… is it from where you take your hajj?
Thursday at 5:32pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  I simply asked you a question as according to you everything one needs, is found in the Quran. So, where is it? You know, it is not in the Quran and you want to live with the contradiction and this is a clear sign of the people of misguidance.
Thursday at 7:02pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(it is for you to prove me why you stone concrete pillars when God does not order us to do so..)
I am not asking you to stone the concrete pillars. It is not my command. I am asking you to get information from the Quran (which I am unable to find) as to how many times I have to perform hajj in my lifetime. Go ahead if you are truthfull and get help from your mates.
Thursday at 7:05pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[I simply asked you a question as according to you everything one needs, is found in the Quran. So, where is it? You know, it is not in the Quran and you want to live with the contradiction and this is a clear sign of the people of misguidance.]

What i know is that many of your wrongdoings are not found in the Quran… most of which are later day fabrications re-introduced into the deen by hypocrites mainly through hadiths.

Moreover, I have already told you and I am telling you this again…

I am not discussing any rituals with you because no matter what, you have not accepted Quran as your sole guide.. What if the hajj mentioned in Quran is totally different from what has been accepted as institutionalized established practice… would you accept it? From the moment you accept the Word of God as the true legacy of Muhammad[pbuh], only then you would be able to follow the guidance of quran… and this you will need to find by yourself. I believe Quran to be detailed and nothing being ommitted from the Book… i am not here to study the Quran for you… I gave you clear proof regarding authority of Quran.. Now it is up for you to make up your mind…

For instance, I am clearly telling you STONING CONCRETE pillars in not part of Hajj.. Kissing black stone is not part of Hajj… None are mentioned in Quran…or even implied…Stoning itself is always linked to disbeleivers… Those who stones in Quran are disbelievers… never a prophet/messenger did it… Are you prepared to reject these 2 rites? Take God as witness that you are accepting these and from now on, you are not considering these to be part of Hajj…

From this point, we will move on.
Thursday at 7:06pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Quran 10:69. Say: Verily those who invent a lie concerning Allah will not succeed.
Thursday at 7:08pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[I am not asking you to stone the concrete pillars. It is not my command. I am asking you to get information from the Quran (which I am unable to find) as to how many times I have to perform hajj in my lifetime.]

No number is mentioned…Anyone who can do hajj should do it.. 3:97

Why would you like to put a number on it? If you can afford it, then you should go for it.. In order for hajj to become affordable, it will depend on many things such as current situation of pilgrim financially, socially, healthwise etc etc

[Go ahead if you are truthfull and get help from your mates.]

Unlike you, i do not look for help from any mates… My only mate in my discussion with you is my Quran. Allah witness. I have always talk to you alone and never seek the help of anyone… I am quite sure, you cannot testify for the same…
Thursday at 7:14pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(Those who stones in Quran are disbelievers…)
What are you talking about?
Thursday at 7:16pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  Quran 10:69. Say: Verily those who invent a lie concerning Allah will not succeed.

You lied when you HIJACKED the meaning of Az Zikra… pay heed
Thursday at 7:16pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[What are you talking about?]

I am talking about the ritual of stoning…and the people who used to stone others… as described in Quran.. of course… how would you know… I forgot you cannot understand Quran.
Thursday at 7:17pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(I forgot you cannot understand Quran.)
You must have studied Quran and a scholar of Quran?
Thursday at 7:23pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[You must have studied Quran and a scholar of Quran?]

I am not arrogant to call myself a scholar.. But i am also not DUMB to claim that Quran is not clear,complete,detailed and cannot be understood as is… without man made concepts invented centuries later… This would go against the clear quranic teachings.

I have not ‘studied’ but is ‘always studying’… True scholars are those who reflect on the signs of God… in nature, universe… doctors in lthe use of their mind and logic.. this is how quran define scholars… Scholars are not those who keep talking about things they do not themselves understand… but are just followers of pious predecessors/ancestors.
Thursday at 7:26pm · Like
Miah Ali ?@

{SunniGuy} ,
The verse 2:196 clearly say the Hajj is once in the lifetime, and the continue verse 2:197 clearly indicate,..to take the advantage of our lifetime. However to grasp into such understanding, it’s require correct translation of the word “al-Umra=the lifespan /the lifetime ”

If you check them verses 35:11 /11:61 /15:72 /21:44 /2:96/36:68 /26:18/10:16/22:5/ you will find all of them has the same root “AMR” [life] and it has been used 24 times in the Quran on so many verses, Even thaw it indicate some difference but it did not lose it original meaning.
Thursday at 7:47pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Are you inventing a lie against Allah?
Thursday at 7:50pm · Like
Miah Ali Are you talking to me ?
Thursday at 7:52pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Yes. Quran does not say ‘one in a lifetime’ obligation of hajj.
Thursday at 7:53pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Yes. Quran does not say 'one in a lifetime' obligation of hajj.]

Quran says ‘those who can afford] … if you can afford once or twice… does not matter.. if you CANT afford… it still does not matter.
Thursday at 7:54pm · Like
Miah Ali What is the word UMRAH mean to you ..prove it from the Quran without twisting it orginal meaning
Thursday at 7:55pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder wrote:
if you can afford once or twice… does not matter.. if you CANT afford… it still does not matter
Reply:
Quran does not say that. This is your interpretation. You say, Quran is detailed enough for us – so use Quran please.
Thursday at 7:57pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Miah Ali: (What is the word UMRAH mean to you ..prove it from the Quran without twisting it orginal meaning)

Reply:
We are discussing the obligation of hajj. How many times does an able person need to perform hajj please, according to Quran?
Thursday at 7:59pm · Like
Miah Ali To me it is very clear by them two verse [2:196/ 197] ..it is up to you how you want to understand it…However if you ponder on them term [faman farada fihinna al-hajja] and you will get your answer..
Thursday at 8:06pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Quran does not say that. This is your interpretation. You say, Quran is detailed enough for us - so use Quran please]

Check the verse I posted… 3:97… if you can afford.. do it.. hajj in itself is not affordable for most except once or twice mostly.

I have told you that you are to follow the best meaning in the verse.[39:18]

Are you not afraid that you might be resurrected as a blind man on the JDay… You dishonesty has no limit.

I have been kind enough to provide you with correct answers, supporting my arguments with clear verses each time.. but since you stand on nothing.. you cannot even support your own ideology… you pretend to be smart and talk big talks like ‘laws/legal system’ but when questioned on Stoning… this becomes extra quranic and seems not to be part of the subject…

Awesome.
Thursday at 8:06pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?@Miah… Br SunniGuy cannot understand Quran… he says Quran is [contradictory and incomprehensible] … so i wonder why you are asking him such questions!
Thursday at 8:08pm · Like
Miah Ali Br Wayfinder..
I wonder when Allah say [faman farada] what does Br SunniGuy understand by this term ?…. Is this Allah making obligation as general to all believer… or is it the believer require to take consideration of his own circumstance and [able to fulfil other condition] for him to declare an obligation of Hajj ?
Thursday at 8:17pm · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?@Miah… Br SunniGuy cannot understand Quran… he says Quran is [contradictory and incomprehensible] … so i wonder why you are asking him such questions!… no matter what.. so please stop
Thursday at 8:19pm · Like
Miah Ali Ok no problem, I leave you brothers in peace….Salamun-Alykum
Thursday at 8:21pm · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder wrote:
Br SunniGuy cannot understand Quran… he says Quran is [contradictory and incomprehensible]

Reply:
Is it really true Wayfinder?
Yesterday at 1:20am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[Is it really true Wayfinder?]

YOU KNOW IT BETTER. KEEP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH.

[Allah protected Az-zikr. Quran and the authentic Sunnah and we are proud of the guidance from Allah. Why Should we abandon what is trustworthy in favour of something contradictory and incomprehensible?]
Yesterday at 7:58am · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?’Something contradictory and incomprehensible’ means following ‘Quran only’. One has to obey Allah and His Messenger saws as well as the way of the companions. Otherwise, one is in opposition (2:137)
Yesterday at 10:45am · Like

{SunniGuy}  Once again, let me ask the question to you:

We are discussing the obligation of hajj. How many times does an able person need to perform hajj please, according to Quran?
Yesterday at 10:46am · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?['Something contradictory and incomprehensible' means following 'Quran only'. One has to obey Allah and His Messenger saws as well as the way of the companions. Otherwise, one is in opposition (2:137)]

Sorry… you clearly wrote [incomprehensible]… for you, the Quran without XYZ added to it becomes incomprehensible.. what kind of beleiver would utter such a blasphemy… this is how low status the Word of God has in the eyes of those who hide evil in their sick heart.

Obey Allah and Obey Messenger has already been clearly discussed and all your arguments have failed one after the other… inspite of that, you are like a, i dont know why, yelling the same thing even if it has been disproved… Go and use this card against someone who has not disproved you yet.. not with me please. I have clearly showed you how you have separated what God has joined… I have clearly showed you, even with grammatical analysis, how these are not 2 separate obediences… You have FAILED…all in all.. black on white.. record is being kept… so it is foolish for you to keep pumping a failed argument to prove your foolishness.
18 hours ago · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[We are discussing the obligation of hajj. How many times does an able person need to perform hajj please, according to Quran?]

People who have adopted the cattle mindset.. has become deaf, dumb and blind…For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. [2:171/22:46]

Read 3:97 again as a sane person with a sane mind… It clearly orders you to do hajj at the very point it becomes affordable for you… there is NO NUMBER.. why do you WISH/DESIRE to see a number there? Is your heart sick?

If you cannot afford to do hajj, you do not do it.. if you can afford is once, you do it.. if you can afford several times, you still do it… Moreover, if you can afford it several times, means you are wealthy.. so what would you rather do with your wealth?

Come on, I have shown you what you COULD NOT SEE in the Quran… You should not wish/want/desire to see what your heart wishes to find in the Quran… this is blatant corruption..
18 hours ago · Like

{SunniGuy}  Just because, you had attempted to show me something to suit your agenda, did not make this a conclusive matter. For, if I had agreed with you, there would not have been any need for a further discussion on the related matters.
17 hours ago · Like

{SunniGuy}  Wayfinder wrote:
so it is foolish for you to keep pumping a failed argument to prove your foolishness.

SunniGuy replies:
Read 2:13. And when it is said to them (hypocrites): “Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansâr and Al-Muhajirûn) have believed,” they say: “Shall we believe as the fools have believed?” Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.
17 hours ago · Like

{SunniGuy}  Clearly, you do not believe as the companions. So, draw the conclusion given in Quran 2:13
17 hours ago · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?2:13… Believe as the PEOPLE has believed…

Let me Quote from what I already said regarding the BELIEF of the PEOPLE[Believers] as mentioned in Quran.. In case you might have a blank in your memory..

————–

I already said… the people did not believe whatever they wished to believe.. but they believed in what was given to them as revelations, delivered to them by the messenger.. They changed their focus from polytheism to monotheism… this is the paramount change in their belief… and if you continue reading the verses, it is even evident that those whop persists to disbelieve do so with the pretext of following their forefathers.

The belief of the ‘people’ you are referring to has zero secret.. it is the very same belief of all believers..

The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], “We make no distinction between any of His messengers.” And they say, “We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination.”[2:285]

O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.[4:136]

Here is the belief of the people[believers] as mentioned in Quran… to which all believers has to unite upon…

———

Everyone who hold such beliefs is a believer in the sight of God and is distinguished as true believers and are brothers in faith.
15 hours ago · Like

{Wayfinder}  Moreover, you are dishonest… You asked me regarding the number of times to perform hajj.. but when the answer comes banging at your head… you play dead… do you accept there is NO NUMBER LIMIT regarding hajj as defined by Quran? Moreover, Allah knows numbering system very well.. He has expressed numbers in words SOOO MANY times… it is absurd to think God forgot about the prescribed number limit regarding hajj!

So, after you have got what YOU WERE NOT ABLE to see in the Quran… do you accept it? After you have seen stoning of concrete pillars or kissing a black stone which supposedly absorbs your sins are not mentioned… will you reject these man made rites? How truthful are you regarding your quest and query… or are you just an annoyment… like those who used to annoy Musa with tons of questions… most of which were non sense .. their conclusion were already made.. they had no intention to accept what Musa was giving to them.. they were just annoying him through questioning, therefore delaying the application of what has been prescribed on them…

Verily, i know you do not have any intention to accept anything… The ego gets into play.. Moreover, you are old and I am younger.. this is another great barrier… Inspite of that, I have been entertaining your questions and giving you the answers you seeked… even though you DID NOT answer mine, and always either evade by bringing something else on the table.. or by playing dead.. for instance, initially we were discussing about the Straight Path.. you were adamant asking me for proof if Quran is the only straight path… I have proved to you with clear proof from quran itself along with logical reasoning… but what happened after that? Why are we talking on hajj now? Does this make sense?

You might think that i do not notice your behaviour on these discussions but rest assured… I know it very well… I could have shut you up with striaght forward arguments such as that of stoning.. believe me, i have more than a dozen of such arguments where even the top sunnis would fail.. But had i done this, i would have closed the door on you.. I preferred to share what I know with you… inspite of whatever you position might be.

You know why I kept discussing… It is just because it encourages me to do more research into the matters and my conviction is what I consider as truth just increases tremendously…. so, i am not losing anything discussing with you… it is just a real faith booster.. I know where i stand… I know for sure who is my God and what He is wanting from me…

Praise be to God.
15 hours ago · Like

{SunniGuy}  The verse (2:13) refers to the hypocrites who had professed the belief as you have outlined. Now, explain why they were calling the companions ‘fools’.
15 hours ago · Like

{SunniGuy}  ?(You asked me regarding the number of times to perform hajj.. but when the answer comes banging at your head… you play dead..)
The number is not mentioned in the Quran. The answer is pending from your sources.
14 hours ago · Like

{Wayfinder}  ?[The number is not mentioned in the Quran. The answer is pending from your sources.]

The number is not mentioned because there is not limit.. you want to fullfil your ardent desire to put a limit on it or what… the way it is detailed in quran.. it has clearly outline its minimum as well as its maximum.

You want to correct God’s Word?

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Posted by: Dr Lightman | September 5, 2010

Ascension of Jesus (pbuh) … What does the Quran say on it?

The entire super-structure of the Christian faith is built on a dogma: the death of Jesus (a.s) on the cross, his resurrection, and his bodily ascension to heaven. Islam categorically rejects this dogma: “They slew him not nor crucified him.” (Holy Qur’an 4:157) Some Muslim scholars have attempted in vain to paint this episode in the colors borrowed from the Christians. But do the Qur’anic injunctions warrant this interpretation? The Holy Qur’an says: “And because of their saying we slew the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, Allah’s Messenger – They slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them. Those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.” (Q4:157)

It is accepted that Jesus (a.s) was apparently placed on the cross, and they were determined to kill him, but they failed in their attempt and Jesus (a.s) escaped death on the cross. Allah created circumstances to save Jesus (a.s) dying an accursed death. (Deut. 21:23) There is nothing in the Holy Qur’an to suggest that “Jesus was taken up,” so much so that even Maulana Maudoodi in his popular commentary Tafhimul-Qur’an had to admit that:

“The Qur’an is silent about the nature and the details of the matter, and does neither say explicitly whether Allah raised him bodily from the earth to some place in heaven, nor does it say that he died like other mortals and only his soul was raised to heaven. It has been couched in such a language that nothing can be said definitely about the incident except that it was uncommon and extraordinary.” (Note 195 to verse 4:157)

That is not the whole truth. It is wrong to say that “nothing can be said definitely.” If we interpret this verse with the application of the rules of interpretation, we arrive at only one conclusion: “That Jesus (a.s) had died – that he is not living.” The same rules of interpretation have led Muhammad Asad to the following conclusion:

“The Qur’an categorically denies the story of the crucifixion of Jesus.” (Note 171 on verse 4:157 in his commentary The Message of the Qur’an). He further goes on to explain: “There exist, among Muslims, many fanciful legends telling us that at the last moment, God substituted for Jesus a person closely resembling him (according to some accounts, that person was Judas), who was subsequently crucified in his place. However, none of these legends find the slightest support in the Qur’an or in authentic Traditions, and the stories produced in this connection by the classical commentators must be summarily rejected. They represent no more than confused attempts at “harmonizing” the Qur’anic statement that Jesus was not crucified with the graphic description, in the Gospels, of his crucifixion. The story of the crucifixion as such has been succinctly explained in the Qur’anic phrase wa-lakin shubbiha lahum, which I render as “but it only appeared to them as if it had been so” – implyng that in the course of time, long after the time of Jesus, a legend had somehow grown (probably under the then-powerful influence of Mithraistic beliefs) to the effect that he had died on the cross in order to atone for the “original sin” with which mankind is allegedly burdened; and this legend became so firmly established among the latter-day followers of Jesus that even his enemies, the Jews, began to believe it – albeit in a derogatory sense (for crucifixion was, in those times, a heinous form of death-penalty reserved for the lowest of criminals). This, to my mind, is the only satisfactory explanation of the phrase wa-lakin shubbiha lahum, the more so as the expression shubbiha li is idiomatically synonymous with khuyyila li, “[a thing] became a fancied image to me”, i.e. “in my mind” – in other words: “[it] seemed to me” (see Qamus, art. khayala, as well as Lane II, 833 and IV, 1500).”

He rejects the theory of the bodily ascension of Jesus (a.s) and explains that the verb rafa’ahu (Lit. “he raised him” or “elevated him”), as in verses 4:158 and 3:55, “has always, whenever the act of raf (“elevating”) a human being is attributed to God, the meaning of “honoring” or “exalting”. Nowhere in the Holy Qur’an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has “taken up” Jesus (a.s) bodily, in his life time, into Heaven. The expression “God exalted him unto Himself” in the above verse (4:158) denotes the elevation of Jesus (a.s) to the realm of God’s Special Grace – a blessing in which all Prophets partake – as is evident from 19:57 where the verb rafa’nahu (“we exalted him”) is used with regard to the Prophet Idris (a.s) (see also Muhammad Abdullah in Manar III, 316f and VI 20f).” That was Muhammad Asad commenting on the Qur’anic verses 4:157 and 4:158 in his “The Message of the Qur’an”.

Using the application of the same rules of interpretation, Shaykh Muhammad Shaltut came to the following conclusion: “There is nothing in the Holy Qur’an, nor in the sacred traditions of the Prophet (s.a.a.w), which endorses the correctness of the belief to the contentment of heart that Jesus (a.s) was taken up to heaven with his body and is alive there even now . . .” (Al-Risalah, Cairo, vol. 10 no. 462, p. 515).

He further writes in the same article: The word tawafa is used in so many places in the sense of death that it has become its foremost meaning: “Say the angel of death, who is given charge of you, shall cause you to die” (Q32:11). “(As for) those whom the angels caused to die while they are unjust to themselves” (Q4:97). “And if you could see when the angels will cause to die those who disbelieve” (Q8:50). “Our Messengers caused him to die” (Q22:5). “Make me die in submission and join me with the righteous” (Q12:101). It is absolutely clear from the Qur’anic verses quoted by Shaykh Shaltut that tawafa has no other meaning than taking away the soul either in sleep or death, particularly when God is the subject and a human being the object. The interpretation is also supported by Ibn Abbas. According to him, as narrated in Bukhari, Muttawaffika means Mumituka. (i.e. I will cause thee to die).

Jesus (a.s) was a Messenger (Q5:75), a mortal (Q21:7) subjected to the laws of Allah. Allah created human beings (and Jesus was a human being) and ordained that Death shall be their common lot. Life without death has not been granted to anyone. All human beings are mortals, and accordingly must die on earth. There are numerous verses that clearly indicate that every soul must taste death: “Every soul shall taste death” (Q3:185). “Every soul must taste death” (Q21:35). “He said (to man) therein (on earth) you shall live and therein you shall die” (Q7:25). “We appointed immortality for no mortal before thee” (Q21:34). “And He it is who gave you life, then He will cause you to die” (Q22:66). “Everyone in it (earth) must pass away” (Q55:26). “We have ordained death for you” (Q56:60). “Then He causes him to die and assigns him to a grave” (Q80:21). “Verily We created man from a product of wet earth, then placed him as a drop of seed in a safe lodging, then We make the life-germ a clot, then We make the clot a lump of flesh bones, then We clothe the bones with flesh, then We cause it to grow into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! Then after that you will certainly die” (Q23:11-15).

In contrast with the life of man, which must come to an end in accordance with the fundamental law laid down by the above verses, the Qur’an says that: “Allah alone is Everlasting and does not die” (Q25:25). The Qur’an lays down the principle that: “A man must die” (Q21:35), and that: “Only Allah lives forever” (Q25:58). It does not contemplate any change or exception, and it is categorically stated: “And you shall not find a change in Our course” (Q27:77). “And you shall not find any change in the course of Allah” (Q33:62). “Thou wilt not find for the law of Allah aught of power to change” (Q48:23). “Thou wilt not find for Allah’s way of treatment any substitute, nor wilt thou find for Allah’s way of treatment aught of power to change” (Q35:43).

The fundamental principles, wherein there can be no change (Q27:77) are: (i) a mortal must die (Q3:185) and (ii) a mortal cannot live forever as only Allah lives forever (Q25:58). The application of these principles forces us to believe that Jesus (a.s) must have died a natural as he was a mortal, a human being subject to all divine laws (Q21:7-8; 25:20; 5:75). How could Jesus (a.s) escape death (Q3:103; 20:55; 2:28) when Allah says: “Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in towers raised high” (Q4:78).

Conclusive proof that Jesus (a.s) died a natural death is furnished by the verse Q5:117. Allah is said to remonstrate with Jesus (a.s) and enquires if he taught his followers: “Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah” (Q5:116)? Jesus (a.s) is made to say: “I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me: serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die (i.e. after my death) Thou hast been the Watcher over them and Thou art witness over all things” (Q5:117). The following facts are revealed by this verse: (i) As long as Jesus (a.s) was alive, he kept a careful watch on those who followed him; (ii) but he did not know how they behaved after his death; (iii) the followers of Jesus (a.s) have gone astray.

Accordingly, as long as Jesus (a.s) lived, his teachings were uncorrupted. The doctrine of his Divinity was introduced after his death or he could not plead ignorance. This verse (Q5:117) conclusively proves that Jesus (a.s) will not return, for if he returns to this earth, this verse is rendered void. He should have said that he had corrected his people on a second coming. He does not say so. A report in Sahih Bukhari supplements the proof provided by the verse Q5:117. It is narrated that on the Day of Resurrection, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w) would be shown some men from among his ummah being dragged towards hell. The Holy Prophet is reported to have said that he will plead: “I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die (i.e. after my death), Thou hast been the Watcher over them and Thou art witness over all thing.” (Al-Bukhari Kitab-ul Tafseer). Note the words: they are identical to those of verse Q5:117. Since the words are the same, the same meaning must also be assigned to them. Double standards cannot be accepted.

No Muslim during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet believed in the so called ascension of Jesus (a.s). The deniers of his (i.e. the Holy Prophet’s) mission challenged him to prove his Prophethood by ascending to heaven (Q17:93). Did Allah empower the Holy Prophet to show this miracle? No, instead the Prophet had to say: “I am but a mortal sent as a messenger” (Q17:93). The question arises: was not Jesus (a.s) a mortal? How could he ascend when the Holy Prophet could not? The only conclusion is that Jesus (a.s) must have died a natural death on this earth. If Jesus (a.s) had ascended, why did no one refer to his ascension to refute the Prophet’s argument that he was only a mortal and a messenger?

The fact that Jesus (a.s) has died is further apparent from verse 144 of Surah Al-Imran: “And Muhammad is only an apostle, all of the (other) apostles have passed away before him: if, then, he dies or is slain, will you turn about on your heels” (Q3:144 Asad’s translation)? It is clearly indicated in this verse that: (i) the Holy Prophet Muhammad was mortal; (ii) all the Prophets before him (including Jesus) were mortals and (iii) all the Prophets before the Holy Prophet had died. Hadrat Abu-Bakr (r.a) argued on the basis of this verse about the death of the Holy Prophet when some of his companions thought that the Prophet was not dead and could not die. The Muslims accepted his arguments. If the people had believed that Jesus (a.s) or some other Prophets were alive, Hadrat Abu-Bakr’s arguments could not have satisfied the doubters in the Prophet’s death. No one referred to any living Prophet. None of them mentioned anything about the ascension of Jesus (a.s). The only logical conclusion is that they did not believe that Jesus (a.s) had ascended to heaven or was alive.

The Qur’anic verse 75 of Surah Al-Maida negates the allegation that Jesus (a.s) is alive: “The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; Messengers before him had indeed passed away. And his mother was a family woman. They both used to eat food” (Q5:75). The verse contradicts the claim of the divinity in respect of Jesus (a.s). It shows that he stood in need of food when he was alive. As he does not partake food now, he cannot be alive. Jesus (a.s) was mortal (Q5:75; 21:7). How could he live without food?

Prayers and giving of alms have been obligatory on Jesus (a.s). “He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live.” If, let us suppose, Jesus (a.s) has all the facilities of prayer and absolution in heaven, to whom is he offering poor-rate (zakaat), which was made essential for him as long as he lived?

Allah is above limitations: “Vision comprehends Him not, and He comprehends (all) vision” (Q6:104). “Nothing is like Him” (Q42:11). “He is nearer to us than our life-vein” (Q50:16). “He is present everywhere, in all directions” (Q2:115). He is not sitting in any particular office giving orders. His presence can be felt. “He Is All-Knowing” (Q2:225; 58:7). If Jesus (a.s) has “gone up” and is “with Allah,” does it mean that he is also present everywhere? If so, then he cannot be a human being, for human beings cannot be present everywhere. Logic dictates that Jesus (a.s) has not gone up alive but must have died in this world. However, there cannot be any doubt that he has gone up spiritually like all other Prophets and other mortals.

Man is essentially a social animal. He lives in the company of his mates. He will go mad if put in solitary confinement. How could it be possible for Jesus (a.s) to remain above for such a long time and still remain sane? Another question: even if we accept the proposition that Jesus (a.s) went up into heaven, who was the one who was put on the cross and crucified? Why did Allah substitute? Is not this substitution unethical? Is not this deception unbecoming of Allah? (God forbid)! This is cruelty and injustice by the canons of any “civilized law.” Allah could not substitute, for He embraces all mercy (Q40:7; 6:148; 7:156). He is Truthful and Just. There is no evidence either in the Holy Qur’an or the hadith literature showing that someone else was put on the cross.

In conclusion, we can only say that the Holy Qur’an clearly repudiates the concept of the ascension of Jesus (a.s).

(Interestingly, in the first edition of his translation of the Qur’an, Allama Yusuf Ali translated “inni muttawaffi-ka” (Q3:55) as “I will cause thee to die.” A similar translation is given by many others, including George Sale, J.M. Rodwell, N. J. Dawood, Muhammad Asad, Maulana Muhammad Ali, Shaykh Muhammad Shaltut, Allama Ghulam Ahmad Parwez, and so on.

Muhammad Pickthall translates it as “I am gathering thee.” It should be noted that the language of his translation is “scriptural” and “I am gathering thee” is the Biblical idiom for “I am causing thee to die.”

In his second and subsequent editions, Allama Yusuf Ali changed his translation to “I will take thee,” but he did not give any reasons for the change. However, in footnote 2485, he comments on “(Jesus said) So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)” (Q19:33) as follows: “Those who believe that he never died should ponder over this verse.”

According to a hadith, referred to in Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Vol. 11 page 246), the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w) is reported to have said that he was told by the Archangel Gabriel that the Prophet Jesus (a.s) lived on earth to the age of 120 years before he died. – A. A. Karim, member of the Editorial Board).

Posted November 7, 1998. This article was printed in two parts in the April-June 1998 and July-September 1998 issues of “The Message,” a United Islamic Association (UIA) publication, London, England.

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